Trivia Archive 3

I just realized that Hill's Perfection was several years older than I am.

• He was pasture breeding mares in North Dakata several years before I was even born
• He won his first World Championship when I was just a toddler
• When I first saw him with Ross Jr. riding, I was a freshman in High School
• When he was retired in 1978 I was a Senior in High School
• When he died in the early 80's, I was a Sophomore in College
• He is still a subject of great interest to me at age 49

Who was the first World Grand Champion to wear boots? Maybe Go Boy's Shadow?

Dutch,

Glad you joined in. This was one of the very first topics ever discussed on WHT, back when most of us were on the WHR site. (See Trivia Archive Page 1) I believe Go Boy's Shadow was the first to wear a pad, but I'm not sure about the boots. Here's what member Sadlbum had to say about it 4 years ago:

"Go Boy's Shadow won the Celebration in 1955 with a plantation shoe. In 1956, he won it with a pad. Talk of the Town won with plantation shoes (51, 52 & 53), but later on a Mr. Jones from GA showed him with pads in Amateur classes. Go Boy's Shadow was one of the first horses to show with knocker boots.

There were horses shown in 1939 with braced tails, but Winston Wiser was not one of the premier trainers then.

This information doesn't come from being there, but comes from studying all the old Blue Ribbon magazines and talking to the old time trainers."

I will reply to the above post. NO horse shown in 1939 had a braced tail. They were gingered. If the tails appear braced in pictures, it was because they had the tails retouched. My grandad (Bob Waggoner) invented the tail brace in the mid 40's. He had a patent pending protection for 7 years. The first tail brace ever sold/used by a trainer other than my grandad was Wallace Brandon. Go Boys Shadow was not the first to wear a pad. They were wearing them in 1950. This is not speculation, but fact.

...and the trivia continues:

WHO donated 20 Tennessee Walking Horses to the New York Mounted Police in 1977?

I'm taking a wild guess - Mary and John C Miller

Good guess B•dog............but NOPE.

twhemt...Isn't Jubal known to produce color in his offspring? I'm not sure if I am using the right terms; I'm not well-educated in color genteics but remember that he was known to produce "lit up" foals; even when bred to solid mares. I know Merry Man was a roan with lots of white so with him being on top and bottom is this what gives Jubal the gene to produce color? I know you can tell I know very little; but I am interested in the TWHs that are colored up much like the horses we saw in the foundation stock (like Merry Man; Allen's Gold Zephyr; Blue Namron). I don't think there is anything much prettier than a solid horse with lots of chrome!!! Actually I like a horse with color; solid (appearing) or not...I like a roan; the cremello' the perlinos; and paints (I bred paints for a while)...so throw that color on them..I love it!!! As far as Jubal being the only great grandson standing at stud...I don't know of another one either. There is a buckskin stallion standing in Virginia; but I was told he was a great great grandson. He is a pretty horse too..I've seen his picture; but I don't know anything much about him.

Do you have any videos of Jubal? If you do; I would love to see him!! You could post it on the Video page...I know we would all love to see him. Smitty can tell you how to post. I would love to see all your horses; especially Jubal and his foals. Maybe a group of us WHT members can load up and make a road trip to Montana...you have room for a crazy bunch of TWH lovers??

I used to be on WHR forums and enjoyed it very much. If Go Boy's Shadow used knocker boots they must have been around for awhile then. Who is the oldest WGC living today? Love the historyof the Walking Horse, I've gota lot oftheold Voice and Blue RIbbons but nothing before the'50's.

What happened to Doug Wolaver. Last I remember of him was in 1971 with Jane's Spirit. Did he just quit showing?

At the death of Jack Morgan (Alabama) this summer, his wife and I walked out to the barn reminiscing. Opened an old tack box and it was full to the brim of old boots of every kind.

Doug sent his last customers out of the barn just a few years ago (~4)....though I assumed that he stopped/restarted once before.

But her avatar is a headshot or Jubal! If you go back to Page 17 of this topic and scroll down to my second post on that page, it has a link to the Slush Creek web site. I visit it every day, just like WHT. Their horses and family are great! Didn't mean to butt in but just wnted you to see them.

smitty wrote:

...and the trivia continues:

WHO donated 20 Tennessee Walking Horses to the New York Mounted Police in 1977?

Here's a good hint on this one: $$$$$$$$$

Leeswood ? (Mr. & Mrs. Cebern Lee?)

........MO MONEY!!!

Sorry Smitty, lol! I just realized I'm a decade or so off!

This is not nearly as hard as anyone might think.......just think LOTS and LOTS of GREEEN!

smitty wrote:

Mason is David Mason of Wartrace, Tennessee. A dog breeder and former TWH trainer and rider of the 1977 World Grand Champion, The Super Stock. Mason worked for Steve Hill and worked the colt that came with Hill's Perfection on the trailer from North Dakata. Although Mason tends to like the Saddlebreds a little more these days, he still likes to wax nostalgic on the walking horse on occasion. He is an excellent source of information and a good and interesting fellow. He is a fan of WHT, and used to be a member but has decided not to post anymore for personal reasons. I wish he'd come back! He still reads daily and sometimes likes to put his 2¢ in every now and then, just like the rest of us. I always gladly oblige.

Thank you very much for answering my question. Does anyone know who the other colt was?

Hill wrote:

twhemt...Isn't Jubal known to produce color in his offspring? I'm not sure if I am using the right terms; I'm not well-educated in color genteics but remember that he was known to produce "lit up" foals; even when bred to solid mares. I know Merry Man was a roan with lots of white so with him being on top and bottom is this what gives Jubal the gene to produce color? I know you can tell I know very little; but I am interested in the TWHs that are colored up much like the horses we saw in the foundation stock (like Merry Man; Allen's Gold Zephyr; Blue Namron). I don't think there is anything much prettier than a solid horse with lots of chrome!!! Actually I like a horse with color; solid (appearing) or not...I like a roan; the cremello' the perlinos; and paints (I bred paints for a while)...so throw that color on them..I love it!!! As far as Jubal being the only great grandson standing at stud...I don't know of another one either. There is a buckskin stallion standing in Virginia; but I was told he was a great great grandson. He is a pretty horse too..I've seen his picture; but I don't know anything much about him.

Do you have any videos of Jubal? If you do; I would love to see him!! You could post it on the Video page...I know we would all love to see him. Smitty can tell you how to post. I would love to see all your horses; especially Jubal and his foals. Maybe a group of us WHT members can load up and make a road trip to Montana...you have room for a crazy bunch of TWH lovers??

Yes, Jubal does produce "lit up" foals from solid mares. He is a minimal sabino and though Merry Man was listed as a roan with a lot of white he was a sabino as was his dam Lady's High Calico. We have even had a "solid white mare" with 2 blue eyes by Jubal and a palomino sabino mare. We had her DNA tested and she is really a sorrel. You should try getting the registration papers on that right! She's sorrel but she's white, under markings, do you put none or one?? Actually there have been several "White" foals sired by Jubal over the years and lots of solid ones too and everything in between.
Love to know who the buckskin stallion in Virginia is?
I do have video of Jubal but will have to get it onto the computer...until then there is a link to you tube. There are several Jubal foals on there, I think the link will take you to Powder just getting started under saddle.



Sure we always have room, 6 kids of our own have grown and moved on their own, several others also grown and on their own. The old house is big and empty!

ONEHOTMARE wrote:

I believe Herbert was only 13 or 14, that year. I thought Tom Cottle was actually suppose to show TT that night..but changed his mind because TT was so sorry. Supposedly, Tom hid out somewhere in the west grandstand...not to be found.

Natalie's the youngest to make it to the lineup...but seems like the age rule was changed the following year.

True....He told me he was climbing the light pole in the west grandstand...lol he did not want the horse showed becaues it would hurt his breeding, TT already proved his ability

smitty wrote:

smitty wrote:

...and the trivia continues:

WHO donated 20 Tennessee Walking Horses to the New York Mounted Police in 1977?

Here's a good hint on this one: $$$$$$$$$

The answer is: Henry Ross Perot

Smitty...With your clue and our recent subject; we should have been able to guess who that was easily!!! :scratch:


twhemt...I bet foaling season is always exciting around your place!! You don't only have the excitement of the new foal; you anticipate what color the foal is going to be as well!! When I bred the Half Arab paints I was always most excited about these foals because I never knew if they were going to be spotted; solid; tobiano; overo...as far as color; what we wanted the least was a solid colt. I'm not sure if you have found a color that is less marketable in the TWHs or not; I would tend to think that everything you are breeding would sell well PLUS your horses are Heritage Society certified as well. Thanks for posting the video of Powder..she is looking good; nice gait; you know how much I like her!!!

The buckskin stallion in Virginia...he is at Westwood Farms and his name is The Golden Gambler. Sun's Merry Man is his great great grandsire; therefore HP is great great great. I'm not sure what I said yesterday; but this is what I meant...I knew that HP was further back on Gambler's pedigree. I think I may have said it wrong??

Hill wrote:

Smitty...With your clue and our recent subject; we should have been able to guess who that was easily!!! :scratch:


twhemt...I bet foaling season is always exciting around your place!! You don't only have the excitement of the new foal; you anticipate what color the foal is going to be as well!! When I bred the Half Arab paints I was always most excited about these foals because I never knew if they were going to be spotted; solid; tobiano; overo...as far as color; what we wanted the least was a solid colt. I'm not sure if you have found a color that is less marketable in the TWHs or not; I would tend to think that everything you are breeding would sell well PLUS your horses are Heritage Society certified as well. Thanks for posting the video of Powder..she is looking good; nice gait; you know how much I like her!!!

The buckskin stallion in Virginia...he is at Westwood Farms and his name is The Golden Gambler. Sun's Merry Man is his great great grandsire; therefore HP is great great great. I'm not sure what I said yesterday; but this is what I meant...I knew that HP was further back on Gambler's pedigree. I think I may have said it wrong??

OK, yes, Gambler is Stephanies stallion, I know this stallion. His sire Blue Gold (deceased) went back to a mare Calvin Miller bred, she ended up at Arrows Walkers in Colorado. Gambler is a very nice stallion.

smitty wrote:

smitty wrote:

smitty wrote:

...and the trivia continues:

WHO donated 20 Tennessee Walking Horses to the New York Mounted Police in 1977?

Here's a good hint on this one: $$$$$$$$$

The answer is: Henry Ross Perot

I actually wrote a letter to Mr. Perot in my search for details on HP. It was he that provided me with the article of his death. I saved the reply for Jubals "Scrapbbok". I thought it was kind of him to reply.