Well, all that old video is not very good quality and not timed up like it should be. It has no doubt been converted from old 8mm film. I'm sure the horses look faster than they actually were. The exception may be Go Boy's Shadow. I still thought Secret Threat looked pretty darn good. I was also impressed with Rebel & Mr. Bud. I never got to see them. I thought I remembered Ebony's True Grit doing more than he was in the video. I was a little "shocked" that Shaker's Shocker wasn't doing more, and also Ebony Masterpiece.
It just goes to show you how much horses have improved little by little over the years and also how our perceptions can play tricks on us over time.
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scooter
Posts : 36 Join date : 2008-07-31
Subject: Re: Horse Video Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:45 pm
You know smitty, I have to agree with you. Things don't look like I remember them either. However, I think most of it comes from the extremely low quality of the video.
sadlbum
Posts : 621 Join date : 2008-07-31
Subject: Re: Horse Video Thu Sep 10, 2009 4:55 pm
I once thought Bum had the first big front end, from the film I think True Grit did. Shocker was doing more in the film, than I remember him doing in 67. (yr aft he won) Melody Maid wasn't fit for dawg bait! You could have put a humane tail on most any trail horse nowadays & beat her!
BigEd
Posts : 139 Join date : 2008-07-30
Subject: Re: Horse Video Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:30 pm
I really enjoyed the videos. I think the lick the older champions were doing is about right. (speed is probably off, but most were a little racky when they went on) If you notice the big change was between Another Masterpiece and True Grit. Why?? True Grit was the first champion to be shown in chains. I remember back when we showed in boots and most of the horses I worked did 3 times as much at home working them in chains than when we showed them with the boots. I never could get a horse to do much in a boot.
Everett
Posts : 175 Join date : 2008-07-30
Subject: Re: Horse Video Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:44 pm
Smitty I enjoyed the Old Video's, but the horses as i remembered looked a lot better than came across on the clips, The horses back then didn't do as much up front as they do today, But the good one's could Set on that Butt and shake all over, again thats what got us in trouble to start with. Trouble with the show horses today is they are not Timed up enough and i know with what the trainers has to go thru its Tuff to get done. Judging has got to be hard to do today,Not all but most will make a pass in front of the judge thats awesome, then next pass will be skipping, so i guess they have to tie one with the Less mistakes
Boy that was a fun way to start the day - one of the techs heard the music - came up - looked at the monitor and said - "Is that Michael Jackson riding a walking horse?"
smitty Admin
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Subject: Re: Horse Video Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:00 pm
Yeah! That music kinda works don't it??? I think I might have "grooved" to that a time or two. I'm not really a Jackson fan, but I thought "Off The Wall" was his best, not Thriller. Also, I think that Ritz was a nice horse...............(but I'd still take Secret Threat over him any day)
Am I crazy???
The Man in Black
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Subject: Re: Horse Video Wed Sep 16, 2009 5:49 pm
Secret Threat is my all time fave!
sadlbum
Posts : 621 Join date : 2008-07-31
Subject: Re: Horse Video Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:52 am
Looking back at the video's, Delight of Pride looked real good. (They sure didn't show much of 9 Yards)
Well from what i could see of the video, it would have been The Tin Man for me
smitty Admin
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Subject: Re: Horse Video Sun Sep 27, 2009 3:47 pm
I'll second that motion....
curbchain
Posts : 252 Join date : 2009-07-17
Subject: Re: Horse Video Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:24 pm
Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't like Tin Man for a stake horse. He was a great show pleasure horse and that's where he should stay. To me, he looks border line bad image when he comes in the ring, he uses his front legs funky and doesn't improve as the class progresses. I just don't care for him. For me, unless things looked much different from center ring, I would have tied Callaway's horse 1st and Knox 2nd. I would have put Tin Man way down.
Guest Guest
Subject: Re: Horse Video Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:56 pm
I agree with curbchain on Tin Man I thougt I was the only one didn't like the way he uses his front legs. That don't have enough been in the knee to suit me. They look like they shoot straight out from his shoulder.
Horsegurl1
Posts : 29 Join date : 2009-09-06
Subject: Re: Horse Video Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:39 pm
I love the Tin Man, but that's just me. I love the way he carries his head and I love his thick neck. He just stands out to me. Weekend Warrior was good last night, but I'm not sure he was the best. I also think King of the Jungle should have gotten tied higher. Chad Williams and Another RPM was better than last place as well. It was an excellent show last night though. Great stakes class with a lot of good horses in it. Looking forward to next show season!
Subject: Re: Horse Video Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:14 am
I might have liked some of the other horses, if the cameraman hadn't spent all his time on the top 3 finishers. I like everything about Tinman, except how he steps up with his back feet, instead of sliding them forward.
senator69
Posts : 532 Join date : 2008-07-31 Location : The Sunshine State
Subject: horse video Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:36 am
I don't know who I would have tied 1st. For me Tin man don't come up enough for me.At times I thought both of the top 2 got 3 legged.At least Tin Man stayed level,he just don't come up,never did.
Old Graymare
Posts : 244 Join date : 2008-12-31
Subject: Re: Horse Video Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:42 pm
Actually, I was so busy that I saw very little of the class, but, I did notice that Tin Man did show a difference between his flat walk and running walk more than usual in this class. His canter wasn't very good though. I can't say who did or did not win the class. I still love little King of the Jungle though.
rwitherington1
Posts : 67 Join date : 2008-07-31
Subject: Re: Horse Video Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:39 pm
I'm a Tin Man fan and would have tied him first or second. What little they showed of him, he seemed consistent. I don't like the way Chad Way rides him though. I think Steve Jones does a much better job with him. They do need to kick it up a notch with his running walk. All of them need to improve on their canter.
I wonder what would have happened if you had three judges from the good old days judge the class and have three judges from nowadays judge it. Wonder how they would differ?
curbchain
Posts : 252 Join date : 2009-07-17
Subject: Re: Horse Video Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:52 pm
Is there anyway we can see the video of Tin Man when he won the Show Pleasure Championship.
It was posted on twhnc for the year, but was taken down when this year's celebration started. I went back and watched this vid a short while back when I was checking out videos of this year's contender's. When I compared the video of his celebration win to his shows this year at Tony Rice, Wartrace and now the International, it's quite eye opening and surprising. Watch them and compare for yo'self.
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smitty Admin
Posts : 6175 Join date : 2008-07-29
Subject: Re: Horse Video Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:07 pm
Curb,
Here's the vid of Tin Man winning the Show Pleasure Championship in 2008:
Thanks Smitty. You are as handy as a set of pockets.
Now, just so y'all don't get the wrong idea, I like Tin Man. I'll bet he feels like a million bucks to set on and I'd be proud to own a barn full just like him, I just don't like him as a stake horse. His way of going is better suited for the show pleasure division and to me he looks like he is being asked to do a gear that he just can't do. Compare the videos. Look at how his front legs have changed and his rear end has shortened and now has more step than glide.
For the record, I also love Doc Way. I worked for him for a long time and still count him as a good friend. I just want to be clear that I'm only giving my opinion on horses. Nothing more nothing less.
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