Trivia Archive 1

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sable812

kywalker. I think it would be great if you would send tha article in to WHR or Voice and try to get it published agian. I woould love to see it and the history and see how we have progressed. Great you have it still.

I would hate to see your storage room and how on earth did you ever find it again.
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(unknown)

Saddie, you are correct, B. Major Wilson was originally named Midnight Sincerity.
J441, yes it was Johnny Midnight that won the stallion class at the 1966 Celebration.
Another question, what WGC was also the winner of the Ladies Amateur class?
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Mason

I wasnt aware of that...MAYBE but I dont think so....We were searching for a name because of his full Bro Super Sport and we came up with The Super Stock. I dont THINK ? he was reg in another name...BUT I HAVE BEEN WRONG BEFORE

Mason
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(Unknown)

Mason, according to IPEDS, Super Stock's original name was Mr. Determination.
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Mason

To answer your question as to why I am into Saddlebreds now and NOT Walking Horses....This POST would go on for days if I really answered you....I LOVE lots of the Walking Horse people...I LOVE the HORSE,& the history.... BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, GOT THE SHIRT ! Still enjoy keeping up with my old friends ....but just TOO MANY PROBLEMS that I can NEVER see getting solved with the WH.I always liked Saddlebreds ,hung around Ellis Waggoners barn a lot back in the OLD DAYS. Was friends with Harry Spotts and some of the oldtime Saddlebred trainers.Just never got that out of my system so to speak...so when I retired I thought why not? I do not own any Saddlebreds,but MIGHT someday.Aint NOTHIN anymore exciting than to see a Good'en trotting down that runway into Freedom Hall on Saturday night! Makes my hair stand on end like the WH used to yrs ago.
David Mason
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Mason

THE SUPER STOCK....Not SUPER STOCK?? YOU MAY BE RIGHT..I cant disagree with facts....but I have tried many times!

Mason
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(unknown)

Mason,
According to TWHBEA's records, The Super Stock was by Scat Man Mc. and out of May Allen Girl and was foaled 6-9-68. I don't know for a fact that is correct, and you would know better than I would, but that's what the record shows. Its hard for me to believe a WGC that I remember that well was foaled 38 years ago.
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broomman

Hello old friend! Or should I say Sunups 7come11..
Sign my guestbook so I can have your email address and email you.

I have a hat worn by Claude Brown. Interesting story behind when I got it.

I really like this trivia post.
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lola

Moonglow-Was the WGC that also won the ladies class,Go Boy's Royal Heir?I believe that the rider was Candace Williams.
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(unknown)

Royal Heir won the Amateur Grand Championship in 67 with Candace Williams and the WGC in 68 with Donald Paschal.The horse I'm asking about won the Ladies Amateur Walking Horses any age or sex the same year he won the WGC.
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MINI ME

Was it Midnight Sun?
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dani

Moonglow66,
Was it Sherri Dietz on The Pusher?
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MINI ME

Moonglow66, would you happen to be the rider of MOONGLOW JR IN THE 1960'S? I LOVED THAD BLOND HEADED HORSE!
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(unknown)

MINI ME,
Yes it was Midnight Sun with Mrs. Henry Davis riding that won the Ladies Amateur class at the 1945 Celebration.He also won the Aged Stallion class,the Open Stallion class, as well as the Championship Stake.
An interesting note was that it was Mr. Henry Davis that was responsible for talking Mr. Wirt Harlin into buying Midnight Sun (then named Joe Lewis) from John Hendrixson for $4,400.
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dani

Does anyone know where I can get ahold of the insets for "The Gallery of Grand Champions" that the TWH National Celebration put out? Just want to get ahold of the 1992 and on.

Dani
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twhlady

Burt Daughette from Gadsden, AL owned and rode Moonglow Jr.......and her sister Claire Daughette rode Rock-a-Bye Lady.........both multi-titled champions and both trained by Vic Thompson.

What North Carolina TWH family did Claire marry in to?

Here is a really good question.......
Who remembers Ceila Shuptrine Allison from L.A. (that would be Lower Alabama)
Celia won the Ladies Class - do not know for certain the horse's name........perhaps it might have been Romeo's Merry Queen - don't know.

Other good questions....
What was the name of Kim Lovett's horse?
What was her home state?
Who ended his showring career on that same horse?
What division did this horse win?

Some of you folks must have bookcases full of old Blue Ribbons and programs..........and I totally envy your being able to read through them.....

Sarah Lynn
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saddie

you can buy the years that youn need from the celebration, the cost of a new complete Gallery would be less.
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kywalker

Sable, this thread moves so fast I cannot keep up.I inherited a collection of various "horse" magazines that dates back to the early 40's. I have not missed a Celebration since 1955, I started young.HA My father has horses with Jimmy McConnell and I train my own. My brother judged the Celebration. Harold Dean Givens has tried for years to get me to list all of my books and I just have not gotten it done. Both of my children have won ribbons at the Celebration and cantered when they were seven years old.

My wife says I live in the past, that must be why I am enjoying this.
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(unknown)

Twhlady, wasn't Burt's sister named Ann?
The horse I remember Kim Lovette best for was Hill's Perfection. She was from Wilkesboro, N.C. Ross Perot Jr. later showed him and was Juvunile WGC.
Mini Me you may be thinking about James K. Taylor that used to show Moonglow Jr. before the Daugettes bought him.I never showed him(wish I did) but I did show a gelding by Midnight Moonglow who was also Jr.'s sire.
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twhlady

Moonglow, you are correct..........

Ann Daughette Renfrow's daughter is named Claire....

Ann Daughette rode Rock-A-Bye Lady to the Ladies title several times. A great rider and a great mare.....

James K. Taylor owned Moonglow Jr. prior to the Daughette family purchasng him.

Maybe David Howard can give us information about the name of the last TWH that Mr. Taylor showed? I have forgotten - know the horse died and Mr. Taylor stopped showing the TWH though he owned a huge farm in Huntsville and also raised AQH.

Sarah Lynn
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(unknown)

I remember James K. had a young horse by Moonglow Jr. I believe, named Moon Man. He was going to be a great one but died as a 3 or 4 y.o.
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glory

Sarah Lynn, I believe you are as old as I am. I remember all these horses and people about which you
are posting.

Mona Dean
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twhlady

Dear - wonderful - MONA.

Fantastic to know who you are.........I've moved back to NC to oversee Mother's care.......am just down the road apiece from you......

AND YES - I CAN NOW SAY THAT I AM OLD.....but with the age comes countless true and valuable memories.

Originally when I thought about initiating this thread I really wondered if there would be any response - and hesitated........so glad I went ahead with the idea.

So many great people have responded. And so many people come to mind. Aren't our memories great? haven't we had some truly fantastic people involved with us and our wonderful horse? Maybe more will chime in........Even David Mason has joined us. (He is also one of the turtle racers - hope you watch all that on Bob Medina's 'Dumbest Move' thread here on David Howard's web site - )

I have a question for you. Who was that rather handsome doctor, a surgeon I think, that was such a fantastic sport and showed so long. He was of the vintage of Dude Riddle and Stanley Bowles - but he came from NC and not VA. I think he once owned Merry Bells that Mary Van Jenkins also rode.

And remember when all our shows here in NC included a division for the American Saddlebred Horses - and all those great competitors? (I come from a family that owned and raised the American Saddlebred.)

Whatever happened to Linda Champion who produced all the shows for the State of NC? Glenn Petty now handles those shows........and does an absolutely fantastic job too...........

Sarah Lynn (I am a '42 model.....almost an antique)
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lola

Did Kim Lovett also have Johnny's Rebel Maid?Celia Allison owned a horse that was showing in the last few years.Seems like Joel Weaver had the mare,but am not certain.
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lola

I remember Romeo's Merry Queen when she was shown by Suzie Beasley,and trained by Albert Lee Rowland.She later married John Day and in her adult years showed Jenny's Jezebel from David Landrum's barn.

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twhlady

There are two women, both named Celia Allison - and who are related through marriage (I think). I am speaking of Celia Shuptrine - and who later married to become Allison. She competed and won at the Celebration....I attended a 'horsey set'party at her georgeous home in Selma many years ago. Saw fantastic old pictures.........wondered about the name of her horse.........Also did some field trials at White Bluffs, their plantation.........(they gave me a trotting horse ASB type to ride as a joke.....but I managed to ride the day ...somewhat uncomfortably though)

sl
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Saddle Tramp

Does anyone know what became of George Livingstone? He rode Gunsmoke's Minute Man and Winston's Black Gal. He trained with Vic Thompson and Toby Green.
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J441

I remember George well, but I lost touch with him too. He trained on his own as well under George Livingstone Stables.
He also sold a horse named Small Town Dude to Belinda Delashmitt who went on to take reserve in the Amateur Championship at the Racking Horse Celebration.
Back to the Carolinas, does anyone remamber Pat Pruitt? He had several sales listing ownership as "The Four Sons of Pat Pruitt".
One more note about Chattanooga area horse people: one of my good friends growing up was Kieth Holly, son of Floyd Holly who trained walking horses and had a brother who trained with John Young amoung others. Keith still attends the Celebration every year. Our families camped near each other in a field next to the Sale of Champions grounds, along with Jimmy Cunningham, Johnny Cabe, and sometimes John & Ronal Young.
I also miss the late Joe Vann Clayton, Jr. You'll remember him as one of the riders who won a Celebration blue on Setting Sun's Apollo.
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J441

When posting the message above I was reminded of a conversation with another one of my friends about how expensive showing horses has gotten.
He told me he remembered the days of pulling onto the grounds with your horse in the back of a converted bread truck or in a trailer attached to any vehicle capable of making the trek over Monteagle Mountain...of camping in a tent in the field with no electricity for $30 for the week. The restrooms and showers were about 1/4th mile away on the showgrounds; horse stalls were closer depending on the need. We would work the sales, and then dine on cube steaks cooked on a Coleman stove and a side of cottage cheese before we walked to the showgrounds in your best jeans for the evening's performance. You showed the horse you loved and kept in your back yard. The one you used to trail ride in the winter (with the same saddle) and were tickled to death to have the opportunity to participate. Making the workout meant bragging rights for the year, and even the lowliest ribbon elevated you to star status in your hometown circuit. And you thought you were the luckiest person on earth just to be able to witness it all.
Now we follow our six- or seven- figure investment (horse) that we see a couple dozen times a year in the trainers semi rig to the grounds driving our Lexus, Jag, Mercedes or what have you. The point is to look good. We find the nearest Hilton and complain that the TV remote needs batteries. We go to the showgrounds after dining on linguini and clams, jump into our custom golf carts, and are dropped off at the entrance wearing our best sport coats and ties. And we think we are the luckiest people on earth if our entries all pass inspection.
Hmmm.....
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makethecut

There was an aged stallion that showed in the late 60's and early 70's(at the Celebration) that was a black roan and a very nice horse. I need some help remembering his name.
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(Unknown)

makethecut,
Did this horse show in open or amateur classes? Do you remember anything else about him? Owner, trainer, what part of the country he was from?
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makethecut

I remember him showing in the aged stallion and stake classes at the Celebration. Maybe shown by Albert Lee Rowland?
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J441

Mizzou's Threat? Not sure of his color, but he was very nice. He was about to steal the Grand Championship one night but he broke in the running walk.
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twhlady

Tony, you or moonglow or J441 look in an old Blue Ribbon or Voice. Albert Lee rode a black roan - big doing horse, Was it Quarterback Sneak? Somehow that name comes to mind.........

Sarah Lynn
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jwalker

I was there in 1975 when Mr. Rowland was riding Mizzou's Threat and broke in the running walk right in from of the judge. He was trying and was going to pass Ebony's True Grit and joe Fleming.
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(Unknown)

Albert Lee Rowland did show a blue roan named Quarterback Sneak, and I remember there was an incident between him and Joe Martin at the Columbia Spring Jubilee one year in the Jr. class. I do seem to recall a black lit up horse with four white legs named I think Mr. Masterful that used to show in the 60s. Can't remember where he was from or who showed him, but I want to say Ohio.
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glory

SaraLynn, was the doctor from NC Dr. Henry Cutchings?
I think he is still living in the Charlotte area. He
owned Jenny's Jezebel who was mentioned in another post. He owned the mare as a young horse, trained by
David Polk.

Linda Champion is in Raleigh but I don't think she is
involved with horses anymore.

I love this thread.
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tomlaw

I had heard that someone stuck his hand out and made Albert Lee break. What do you think?
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Saddle Tramp

J441,
Do you remember Appletide's Delight and Perry Walden? Was he a plantation horse or a racking horse? Also, how's you dad? A friend from Manchester wants to know.
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makethecut

Thanks for the help. It was Quarterback Sneak that Albert Lee rode.

Appletide's Delight showed in the Racking Horse class the couple of years that the Celebration included them.
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twhlady

Mona -

I called around town and reached one of the old Fayetteville horsemen (one of the Williams clan)....
I found out the doctor whose name I could not remember was Dr. Hubert Poteat..I also remember Dr. Cutchings. Dr. Poteat had horses back in the 60's.......when Charlie Bobo was at Thomasville, NC.

Tony, you mentioned Racking Horses at the Celebration. Do you remember the classes for Saddle Horses, Roadster to Bike, and Ladies on Road Horses Under Saddle at the Celebration?

What outstanding female in our industry and also a noted judge, competed on both Amreican Saddlebreds and Tennessee Walking Horses?

Sarah Lynn
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J441

Appletide's Delight was indeed a racking horse & was shown by Perry Walden, Mike's brother.
Dad is doing very well to be 84 and to have lived through all the cardiac problems he has had. Not sure if you know that Katie passed away a few years back from cancer. That's been his toughest blow.
He still has a couple of horses and drives himself just about where ever he wants to go. Too tough & ornery to give up, thank God!
Thanks for asking!
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(Unknown)

twhlady,
Is the answer to your question Laura Brandon?
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twhlady

Of course, the answer is Laura Lou........She is equally as comfortable and impressive on a Saddle Horse as she is on a Walking Horse.......

Sarah Lynn
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howarddavidl

as is Lindsay Landrum!
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(Unknown)

When White Star was named WGC she had previously placed second in her preliminary class for aged mares. What was the name of the mare that beat her in the aged mare class?
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(Unknown)

Lindsay and my granddaughter Laney as well. Laney learned FIRST on the Saddle horse ahead of the TWH.
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dani

Moonglow66,
My guess is Midnight Merry Bird. A good looking big sorrel mare.
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(Unknown)

Midnight Merry Bird it was. She also won the ladies class that year. The year before she was 3 y.o. mare champion and reserve Jr. WGC. The year before that she won the 2y.o. filly class and was 2 y.o. WGC.Certainly she was one of the greatest mares of her era.
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(Unknown)

What WGC was also a WC weanling, yearling, 2y.o. and 3 y.o.?

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glory

SarahLynn, I remember Dr. Poteat now that you have
reminded me. He lived about 15 miles from me.
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dani

Moonglow66,
I had to dig for that one, but was it Merry Go Boy?
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(unknown)

Dani,
You got it again. The only time Merry Go Boy was ever defeated was in the weanling championship and when he placed second in the WGC as a three y.o. behind Midnight Sun.
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(unknown)

What was the FIRST WGC to be foaled on the farm of Dr. Porter Rogers in Searcy, Arkansas?
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jwalker

Rodger's Perfection?
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dani

Moonglow66,
I think it was Old Glory's Big Man, I really had to search for that one. Love the questions and searching for them..
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(unknown)

Dani, I'll bet you would be good on Jeopardy.Yes, Old Glory's Big Man was the first.He had a brood mare named Merry Walker that later produced Roger's Perfection and Go Boy's Shadow. In addition she produced Shadow's Sis who was the dam of Mark Of Carbon. What mare was five times winner of the aged mare class at the Celebration?
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dani

Moonglow66,
I would love to go on TWH Jeopardy, but I need a couple of things....My TWH books, the internet, and about an hour minimum to answer the questions...LOL...
Give me about an hour and I might have the answer....LOL

Dani
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dani

Buzzzzz...Who is Merry Wilson...LOL...Couldn't resist, I love the knowledge testing game shows.

Dani
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(unknown)

OK no more easy questions. What mare was reserve in the aged mare class,reserve in the model class and reserve in the amateur 50 and over class and tied 4th in championship stake in the same year? Here is a hint, she was out of a thoroughbred mare.
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Mason

Only a GUESS but was it Honey Gold ?

Mason
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master

MIzzou was struck by an umbrella, and he was going to win the class.
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(unknown)

Mason,
Good guess and right time frame, but wrong mare.
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twhlady

You guys have lots of data from your collections of books, programs, Blue Ribbons, National Horsemen, etc...I am working entirely from memory.....

Merry Souviner?

sarahlynn
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twhlady

I have some good questions:

What was Millard Wilson's profession?
Where was his business located?
He had a wintertime birthday event to which many were invited......what was the featured food????

There was a family in GA in the funeral business that owned the TWH for years.....What was the family and a major contender they promoted.........?

Anyone know Emmet Guy's profession - other than entertaining us from Center Ring?

OK David Mason - your turn now to think up questions.

sarahlynn
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MarkD1

OK Sarah Lynn,

I've got the answer to one, I think.

Emmitt Guy was the Madison County Sheriff (Jackson, TN) if I'm not badly mistaken. I know he was in politics down there.

MWD
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(unknown)

twhlady,
This mare was a little before Merry Souviner's time.
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dani

Moonglow66,
I give, I could not find anything... Does anyone else have a guess?

Dani
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jwalker

Does anyone remember the old Milky Way Farm?
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Red Ace

Millard Wilson was a Farrier and trainer. His son Abbott is a Saddlebred Trainer in Florida.
Emmett Guy was the announcer at the Celebration for many years.
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Red Ace

Millard was FAMOUS for his barbecued GOAT. Only time I ever ate it and it was delicious.
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twhlady

But Millard Wilson's really special food was oysters even though he did ejnoy the goat barbeque. The oysters were sent in from various areas of the coast for his birthday celebration.........

Do you know where his blacksmith shop was located?

Old Milky Way Farms was in Pulaski......and I think Maborn Magnuson (sp?) was probably the last walking horse person there........he owned a stallion, Sun's Rocket Go Boy.........

sarahlynn
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Mason

You ask me to come up with some questions...Heres one..
Who worked for Steve Hill for MANY yrs (until STEVES Death)and Was one of the most unknown and BEST trainers Of all time?

Mason
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Saddle Tramp

Would that trainer be Johnny Brown?
Moonglow66,

Possibly the mare was Merry Gypsy Rose? If so, she may have placed 4th in the championship stake two times.
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twhlady

David M...
I think that would be Johnny Brown...Incidentally, he was at the show we held in Wartrace in April...and looked just like he did 25 yrs ago.

Remember Steve's ring across Hwy 41 from the barn...
It was completely round....no straightaways...Steve said he could always depend on his horses 'walking the turns'.....Remember the watering trough?

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Saddle Tramp

What was Hill's Perfection's registered name and what was his full brother's name that Bob Campbell showed on the west coast?

As a note, Hill's Perfection was not broken to ride until he was about five years old and had already sired colts before being gelded. So his name could not be changed on his papers.

There is a horse named Zephyr that has been advertised in the Voice in the past year. If you look at his pedigree, Hill's Perfection is on it.
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twhlady

David M.,
Do you know where Johnny Brown is working - and if he continues to work with our horse?

As for winning a prize for the right answer, bringing old memories to the forefront is prize enough for me........and thinking about people we once have known.....some no longer involved with the horses - and others who have died...

sl
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Saddle Tramp

The last time I talked to Johnny, he was still working horses for Mark West and rabbit hunting with his beagles when he can. He also goes to Coffee County basketball games.
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J441

Was it Maycliff Mid Mary?

Last time I saw Johnny he was showing racking & walking horses in Arkansas. I sold him a two year old Delight colt about 25 years ago that I bought from Vance Paschal. I heard he made him into a pretty good juvenile hose. Wish I could remember the name.
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Saddle Tramp

You're really close - Reycliff's Mid Merry.

I wonder if there's two Johnny Brown's. I don't think the one here in Coffee County was in Arkansas. Could be wrong though.
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Saddle Tramp,
Yes it was Merry Gypsy Rose. She was sired by Merry Boy and out of a mare sired by a thoroughbred stallion named Bon Galant.Between 1942 and 1947 she won 8 ribbons from 2ed to 4th at the Celebration, and was twice 4th in the WGC.
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Saddle Tramp

Moonglow,
You almost had me stumped with that one until I dug out one of my old books.
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MINI ME

I have several old sale programs from MILKY WAY back in the 1960's. they had full pedigrees.
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Saddle Tramp

One of those old Milky Way sale programs has a picture
of Ebony Masterpiece's full brother who was marked up like Ebony's Mountain Man.
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J441

Easy way to tell...the Johnny Brown I knew was/is African American. He worked for Joe Webb for a time. Is it the same person?
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Mason

Didnt know the ARK Johnny Brown..the one I know has lived all his life in Coffee County Tn. I think he is one of the best horsemen I've known.Personally I learned more basic horsemanship from him than any other trainer I was around.He NEVER recieved his dues....there are lots of us in the Hall of Fame that havent done nearly as much with this breed as the Beech Grove Johnny Brown. Wish some of the POWER KINGS knew about him.
Mason
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twhlady

Johnny Brown who worked so many years with Steve Hill is not an African American, he is Caucasian. I believe he is a native of the Middle Tennessee area. David Mason would know where he lived.........

And speaking about the 'second in command' at the barns, who was the African American who worked with Sam Paschal for so long?

sl
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Mason

Sam Pascal answer...Felix Johnson
Mason
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(unknown)

Does anyone remember the name, or rather the nickname of the really large black guy that worked for Vic Thompson?
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makethecut

The family in the funeral business in Ga. was Austin Dillon funeral home in Atlanta(across the expressway from the old Fulton County Stadium and now Turner Field).
His granddaughter was Blanche Dillon Thomas and she showed Man of Rythmn in the 70's.
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master

Heres another trivia question: Name the only horse to win the Fun show, then the Columbia spring Jubilee stud class in the same year. Horse, trainer, owners and year.[ hint, this horse never won the WGC ]
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(unknown)

Was it Ebony's Threat and Billy Gray? I know they won both those shows but don't remember if it was the same year.
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Saddle Tramp

What registered ASB stallion (who was last owned by Tom Brown of Columbia TN) was the grand-sire of a two-time WGC walking stallion who in turn sired a two-time WGC walking stallion? Who were these three?

Hint: He put the beautifully hooked ears on the walking horses of today.
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(unknown)

Giovanni, Merry Go Boy and Go Boy;s Shadow.
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Saddle Tramp

You're right again
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J441

Mason, you wrote on one thread about the thrill of seeing a great horse making a pass down the rail...do you remember your exhibition on Super Stock at Heritage Farms in Ooltewah? I remember getting cold chills watching as he passed about three feet in front of me. That horse loved to work.
Also on exhibition was Ramsey Bullington riding a black two year old that went on to be quite a stake horse with Carlton Pitts. He was owned until his death by Art and Francis Barnes. Does anyone remember the horse's name? Does anyone remember who owned Heritage Farms or the two principle stallions that stood there?
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C. Biscuit

Ebony's Valiant Son
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twhlady

Bill Hawk owned Heritage Farms in Ooltewah.

you folks with the books can look up the horses - but I remember one of them didn't really like to canter...

sl
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Saddle Tramp

Where'd my question go? I'll try again.

Starting in the mid-40's and running into the early 50's, Jimmie Joe Murray and later his foundation printed a magazine called The Tennessee Walking Horse. I have one of each of the magazines, how many do I have?

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master

Won't need a book they were Prides Peddler and Delight's Tramp, who was the one that did not like to canter, full brother to Bum and ridden by Billy Gray. Mr. Magic with Albert Lee Rowland, owned by the Wullfs was the one to win the Fun Show and Columbia in back to back weeeks in 1973.
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twhlady

Moonglow - do you know the story about Giovani?

sarahlynn
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BUBBADOG

I believe that the "really large" black man who worked for Vic was called "Tiny"
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kywalker

I think that you would have 30 copies of the Tennessee Walking Horse Magazine. Many of the early copies also had supplements showing registrations and transfers.
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J441

Try this one...Shocking Blue and Buddy Hugh were a very popular team years ago. We bought I'm Shocking Too from the owner/trainers in Rockwood, TN who started Shocking Blue. They were brothers who owned a car dealership. One had a son who is now an auctioneer.
Can you name the brothers and the son?
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Saddle Tramp

Kywalker,
You're very close. There were 29 issues of the magazine.
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kywalker

Saddle Tramp. I guess I counted wrong or counted my duplicate copy.

Are you from Paducah? We live in Fulton.
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twhlady

Speaking of Shocking Blue.....what was the name of Peggy Holloway's horse.........

Sarah Lynn
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big daddy

I believe the brothers from Rockwood you are referring to are Copper & Cotton Bacon, and the sons name is Craig Bacon.
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Saddle Tramp

Kywalker, I live in Manchester, TN.

Are these Bacon brothers related to the Col. Bacon from Loudon TN that used to own Strolling Jim?
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J441

Big Daddy is correct. The Bacons were fine people who raised some very nice horses. Craig really put a "velvet mouth" on his colts. We bought horses, cars, trucks, and a 6 horse show truck bed from them years ago.
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twhlady

Now that you bring up car dealers, let's see how many of our horsemen had car dealerships - and maybe the type.

1. Bacon family - what kind?
2. Joe Van Clayton - Arab,AL -Chevy
3. Fray Escue - KY -Pontiac
4. Dude Riddle - Martinsville, VA Cadillac
5. Roy Davis - Calhoun GA - Chevy
6. Bonnie Davis - Rome GA - Chevy
7. James Corlew - Chevy

I've named the cars........moonglow perhaps you can name the horses......I know some of them, but you have all the reference books.......

What horseman was Dude Riddle's famous customer?

Does no one remember Peggy Holloway's horse?

Sarah Lynn
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J441

The Bacons had a Ford dealership in Rockwood.
Quarles (don't remember the first name) had a used car dealership in Chattanooga. I think Ed Cotter has a dealership, and Tom Barclay had one in Albertville, AL.
Pretty interesting. Joe Van Clayton owned several notables including Setting Sun's Apollo. Bonnie Davis owned several greats along with Roy, including Sensational Shadow. Dobbs Bros Ford in Memphis is owned by the Crutchfields.
Another bunch of horsemen owned funeral homes, like Jimmy Williamson (and Chuck), Ross Lane, and several more.
I should know Peggy's horse but just can't recall.
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C. Biscuit

Was Ms. Holloway's horse named Blue Magic?
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BUBBADOG

C.C. & Duncan Johnson owned a Cadillac dealership in Augusta, Ga.-
Back to the subject of funeral homes - J.B. Hunter (Susan's) dad owned Hunter Funeral Home in Sparta, Tn.
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twhlady

I think the McBrayer family owned a dealership in south Alabama.

And Charlie Warren who rode Ebony Rose also owned JerniganWarren Funeral home here in my home town, Fayetteville, NC.

Who was the family in the funeral business in GA that had either Go Boy's Cheerleader or Go Boy's Caretaker?

I also remember a georgeous little girl (must be grown by now) from Tuscaloosa. She rode Roll Tide in youth classes. I think her family owned a dealership. They were not in the horse business for a long time.

And thanks for the name of Peggy's horse. When Shocking Blue was remembered, it brought back memories of Peggy's good rides on her horse - with a similar color and name.........

Thinking about all these people who were most avid supporters of our industry - both as competitors and as significant financial contributors to the horse shows - brings back lots of memories.......Lots of these people who were from many other states were great supporters of our breed, not only on the national level, but also in their various home areas. Seems like our industry has shrunk significantly.

I had forgotten that the Johnson family from Augusta operated a car dealership. I remember attending the Masters one day with Mr. CC - many years ago. He also rescued me when I was traveling from TN to NC with a load of horses and had a mechanical problem with the truck.

Sarah Lynn
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everready

David do you remember you and i standing in the middle of the ring at the celebration waiting for the work out, I think the year you won the stake on the super stock,talking about when we were at Steve Hills and thought we would never be riding for the World Grand Championship, you won i think i got a ribbon i just can't remember. good to hear you are doing good.Ilive in FL.,and love the weather here, Sara thanks for starting this thread.

Everett Majors
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Saddle Tramp


Jeff and Sherry Gamble owned 18 funeral homes at one time. They owned Olympic Generator, Wired, Pusher's All Colors, etc. They also owned minor league baseball teams. They were dick Peebles customers.
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twhlady

Jeff and Sherry's funeral home in Winchester is the one that took care of all the Bledsoe family when David died at the Celebration. They managed the funeral in Birmingham for us....and d**k was so much help...........old friends like the Peebles and the Gamble families are cherished.......so many memories.

Sarah Lynn
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twhlady

Dear Everett.........

Instead of thanking me for this thread, I think we all need to thank David and Christy for giving us this fantastic Message Board.......(every once in a while he will add a comment .... ) I have reached the age that I really like to think of old friends who have moved on or died, and the great old horses we knew and loved......

It's a fine mess we are in now Everett. Guess you see all the problems and the discord running rampant..... I know you are glad that you and your family are in FL.

Actually, I thought about the Majors when the mention of Shocking Blue appeared on this thread.......I think you managed the beautiful stables and farm at Bahama for Peggy when she first built it.....correct??? For the life of me, I could not remember the name of her horse - could actually see her going around the ring though.

Keep well, dear friend.

Sarah Lynn
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everready

Sara

Good to hear you are well and doing ok,when i trained horse's for peggy we had a horse called Chief's Mr Rebel, was a real nice horse we bought from billy morgan.of all the horse's i had the pleasure of training the one that stick's out in my mind was Sir Winston's Riot,missy cool rode when i was a toby green's, he was a pleasure to work every day. Yes the W.H.business is a mess ,I miss all the good times we all had back when people would go to shows and visit with one another and have fun,looks like its not fun for no one any more, but i still miss the horses and the people,good luck.

Everett
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Mason

Majors

I can remember us back a bit more than that...remember us in school at Beech Grove..4d grade I think.....All we talked about was Horses and GIRLS> Good to hear from you...IF you are in Wartrace look me up!

David Mason
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everready

Mason

I do remember that also,next time in TN. will give you a call.

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twhlady

Everett and David:

I have some questions for you two. And if you will answer I won't have to call Bobby at National Bridle while he is working or bother Harold Dean G. or Buddy M.....

When Everett mentioned Toby, his name brought back some more memories ...and Norma Lynn is breeding some of my mares and keeps inquiring about stallions....and that started me to reflecting about days gone by........the horses and their owners.

There are so many stallions today that I become confused. Seems like none of the breeders talk about 'nicks' and 'breeding to the strengths of the mare' and all the points those old breeders emphasized so strongly.....To tell you the truth, I can remember the old ones better that the ones today.....

Was it Triple Threat that Gottloeb Koenig and Ellen Metzger owned, the German people who owned the Schwinn bicycle company, and that Harold Wise stood at his stables in Lewisburg? I remember she was absolutely crazy about their horse, and when I asked her how in the world they became interested in our breed with all they had to choose from on the Continent, she said "The ride, dear girl - the ride."

I remember that Glen Turner from TX owned him when Harold Kennedy rode him twice to the reserve. Mr. Turner just quit the business very abruptly and Joe and Jan Wright from Nadcadodches bought him at SW's sale at the old Murray Farm. I remember that Doug rode him to the claim the roses.........the very next year...

People quit......great horses never do.

Actually both Super Stock and Triple Threat could probably mix it up quite nicely in today's showring......Those two would leave lots of today's horses standing on the grass.....(but please don't say I made such a statement....)

I began wondering about the transition of Triple Threat's ownership. Seems like I remember Sammy Cecil winning on him in NC. Was it the Sherrill-Abernathy-Clements group that owned him them........or do I have another horse mixed up?

Also, I remember that Steve's breeding stallion was Sun's Eldorado.......What was the name of John Price's stallion? Mr. Henry Crox also had an old breeding stallion that we bred to years ago. I can't even remember his name either......Can either of you remember any of these facts?

Sarah Lynn
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everready

Sara
You are right on Triple Threat,and Sun's Eldorado I remember John Price but not the horse, wasn't John head of the First DQP program or head dqp.

Everett
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Mason

I agree ...but dont remember the horse John stood....Mack Motes rode a good bay horse while working at Johns but I cant remember his name...some mornings its 10 or 11 o'clock before I can remember my dogs name...hes 14 yrs old, and I've had him since he was a pup.Maybe when the clouds go away I'll remember Macks bay horse's name?

Mason
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twhlady

Everett,

I cannot remember if John managed the first horse inspection or not........The office was first at Breeders' and supervised through that oganization. There was an Admiral King who also headed the inspection program, and he was also under Breeders' auspices. Admiral King was not involved for a long period of time, and I do really think he was the first inspection manager.

The first inspectors were NOT called DQP's......that nomenclature only began after the self regulation initiated by Bob Hunicutt and others, and/or when the inspectors became 'under' USDA (I think).

John Price was both a diplomat and a scholar. His management of the inspection program was extremely good, fair, honest, and very positive for the industry - and the industry continued to make progress. John viewed everyone equally, especially with regards to inspecting the horses - and treated everyone in an equal and fair manner in order that the horse shows, the owners, the exhibitors, the trainers, and subsequently the entire industry might prosper.

You will remember this all came about following the HPA in 1970 - a very troubled time in our history. So long as John headed the inspection program, there were no communication problems, no stand-off with USDA, no political maneuverings, and certainly no stalemate in the communication processes between our industry and the government.....If a horse complied with the regulations, it was approved to compete. Back in those good old days there were no practices to control competition, no practices of within-the-industry political maneuverings regarding ring access, and no selectivity in the inspection process what-so-ever.

(WHTA at that time was already in existence - having been organized in 1968 - I think).

Then began the trouble years - the WHOA-REGULATORY battle. At that time NHSC was actually named NHSRC - the "R" being for regulatory. Later the two groups reached a common ground of communication and the office of horse inspections became known as 'the commission.' AT that time WHOA began supervising and authorizing the amateur and youth exhibitors - youth at that time being called juveniles......

Benny headed the inspection programs for a long time, then Roger Hand.........and then Lonnie. By this time NHSC experienced a tri-fold management: Breeders' / WHTA / WHOA......

Sometimes I cannot remember the exact transition of management.........but I do remember all the people. Remembering all the maneuverings recalls vividly to my mind the fact that Breeders' management back then never really wanted to manage the supervision of inspections. ....I think their push for the Breeders' sanctioning plan actually became an issue when Craig Evans lost his position of influence and management at NHSC.......

And here I choose not to record any more history on that particular subject.........Sometimes history is best left alone........Funny though, we have all heard that "History repeats itself"........

Everett, you would be well advised to ask David H. I know that sometimes he monitors his Message Board. Maybe he will add to this discussion and correct any errors I have made. He was media liasion at the very beginning - back when our industry first became aware of the necessity for Legislative contacts and friends. He can give you a detailed and accurate account of events. I also think he probably is pulling his hair out over this turbulent and explosive mess we are in. David Howard is very well placed politically, has a good finger on the industry's pulsebeat, and he also has the definite capability of giving you a far more in-depth education than I might accomplish.

Sarah Lynn
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J441

Was Mack's horse Shadows Royal Flush?
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Mason

No it was a bay horse BEFORE Mack Moved to Vics

Mason
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Saddle Tramp

I would like to know if Everet Majors is related to the Majors man that worked for Charles Brantley? I would also like to know if ya'll went to school with Hoyt Tenpenny? His dad Mack worked for Steve Hill & showed Society Man. Hoyt looked real bad at the cele. Doc Womack also Quoted Mack about Merry Wilson & her goat friend in his movie " A Look into The Past". Does anyone know what kind of Church was in the woods in front of Steves barn? Doc Womacks movie shows that Steves barn was built with only one row of stables & a hall (another row of stables was added later). The barn is now owned by Eddie Howland, Elwood Howlands nephew. Elwood (deceased) was a former employee of Steve. Elwoods claim to Fame was the worlds largest twh SUNS UNBELIEVABLE H, on the last sat afternoon he would parade that big black stud around the warmup ring area & have people oohing & ahhing over him, he would have a white tail set, white leg wraps, a white fuzzy halter & a white net on his tail.
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everready

Sara

David Howard knows more about the history of the breed than anyone i know.I remember david working for voice mag.then buying out want use to be known as The Sunday Journal,now know as The Walking Horse Report. Betcha didn't know I was the 1st horse trainer to advertize in the sunday journal, we had half of the back page on a horse called Travelin Man. David do you have any of the old copy's of the sunday journal,if you do i sure would like a copy.

Everett
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everready

Yes my dad worked for mr. brantley and i was borned on that farm, the little house is still standing.Yes we went to school with hoyt, been great friends for all our lives, have not seen hoyt in last few years, if you see him tell him i said hello.but that was my uncle i think you were referring too as the majors that worked for charles brantley

Everett
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Mason

Someone asked what kind of Church stood across the road from Steve Hills barn....it was a Primitive Baptist...I think...some folks called it a Hardshell Baptist OR Footwashing Baptist I recall.....IF Im not mistaken,and maybe, NOWDAYS the next Church on the right going towards Murfreesboro is the same group of folks that WERE meeting there yrs ago. They have recently added on to the Church Building.So things must be going well.
Everready I didnt know Mack Tenpenny was your uncle or you were raised at Brantleys.I passed Brantleys place Sunday Am EARLY.He was at the barn feeding....started to stop but it was COLD and I needed to get home. Also as early as it was thought I might scare him .I cant drive by there and not think about the old days.I've got a picture SOMEWHERE of Merry Go Boy made there when Hitler was a private.

David Mason
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everready

Mason,
Mack Tenpenny was not my uncle,saddle tramp ask was i kin to the majors man that worked for charles brantley,he was my dad's brother's boy. making him my what,just had a senior momentt.But i knew mack tenpenny well, never seen mack dressed in nothing but bib overalls thats what i remember about my dad also thats all he ever wore.i have a picture of me sitting on brantleys roan allen jr. when i was 4yrs.old, in front of the same barn standing there today

Everett
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Mason

My mistake I thought after I read the other post that Mack wasnt who you were talking about.I'd love to see the picture of you and Jr. MY email address is dfmjjm@bellsouth.net

Mason
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howarddavidl

Everett,

I remember those days well and the old Sunday Journal and Jack Short. Jack helped Vic Thompson form the Trainers' ASssociation and was a fine man.

Sorry but I do not have any old copies...just memories.

Sara is obviously older than us and has a better memory.
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howarddavidl

David Mason,

I MISS HOBERT POTTER - they just don't make 'em like him anymore!!
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twhlady

David Howard,

we have had he opportunity of knowing many fine individuals in this industry. But I agree with you, Hobert Potter was among the very best. We could certainly name some others too. And yes, I am a little bit older than you..........not much.

Sarah Lynn
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Mason

David Howard,

Hobert Potter and I were very close,as well as his family.He stuck with me lots of times when he was being pressured to move his horses,esp STOCK to bigger name trainers at the time.I'll never forget that. He helped me live out a dream I had since I was a little boy.IF he told you something you could believe it. Everytime I hear the song Big John I think of him...he was a MAN a mighty BIG MAN.....
God Bless YOU for thinking about him

David Mason
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Mason

I remembered something else about Hobert Potter...people were always saying how LUCKY he was...He said you made your own luck...by WORKING.He didnt give much credit to luck......I like that...personally I dont call it LUCK I call it Blessings....superstitious people believe in LUCK...Gods KIDS call them BLESSINGS! Like Forrest says "THATS ALL I GOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT!"

Mason
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everready

Mason
Amen on that brother

Everett
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(Unknown)

Mason,
Was the horse that Mack rode before moving to Vic's Crimson Tide?
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Saddle Tramp

David Mason,

You told me one time that you attended Manchester central high school for awhile. If you will look in the 39 blue ribbon magazine that you got from me, then you will see a picture of Robert Campbell riding Haynes Peacock on the Manchester football field, if I'm not mistaken. He was bought from T.P. Shelton a Manchester Studebaker dealer. Bob Campbell later moved to California where he showed Midnite Merry Boy, a full
brother to Hills Perfection. He also gave Russ Thompson
the first suit that Russ showed in. If you check the records then you will notice that Peacock didn't tie at all in the 39 Celebration but won it all in 40 & 41.
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fatpup56

Was Hill's Perfection originally named Rid Cliff'Mid Merry?
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Mason

Yes to the Hills Perfection question...but I'm not sure of the spelling. I rode a colt by him when I worked at Steve Hills.

Mason
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Mason

Interesting info Saddletramp

Mason
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Mason

I believe you are a winner!

Mason
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(Unknown)

What WGC was out of a standardbred mare?

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BUBBADOG

Yep - that was his name - does any one remember the lady rider who rode him before Ross Perot Jr?
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fatpup

Kim Lovette
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BUBBADOG

Right you are.
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(Unknown)

What lady rode him before Kim Lovette?
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twhlady

I want to ask all you 'old folks like me' to go to this forum and the Show Happenings forum here on WHReport web site and read the info about the Horse Slaughter Bill.........

For those who love the horse, you might want to take some action.........

Also please read David's latest editorial....very important information for all of us to know.

Thank you
Sarah Lynn

ps Kim was from N. Wilkesboro NC.......does anyone know where she might be today
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BUBBADOG

The last that I heard - Kim is still in Wilkesboro - out of the Walking Horse business - but I haven't talked to her in years.
Was the lady who rode Hill before her Maxine Johnson?
NO - that was Magic Knight - I think.
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Saddle Tramp

The WGC out of a standardbred mare was Haynes' Peacock.
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(Unknown)

Saddle Tramp,
You are correct.
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fatpup56

Clark ?????? from the west coast.
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(Unknown)

Another trivia question,
What horse in the 70s failed to place in the stallion class, but was reserve WGC in the Championship?
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makethecut

The last time I heard from Kim Lovette(about 20 years ago) she was involved with Arabians.

Was the horse that didn't place in the stallion class Handshaker's Delight?
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(Unknown)

Makethecut,
Yes it was Handshaker's Delight.
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twhlady

Tony,

I hope you called Saxby Chambliss office today.
Also, I know that you were familiar with the Sexton / Williams family (Candace). I visit with Stuart occasionally. He has Sally Hills Farms here in Fayetteville - and still has horses.

Sarah Lynn
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(Unknown)

Twhlady,
Does Stuart still show?
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grits

I have seen a couple of posts referring to the movie a look into the past can someone give some more details to it such as when it was prouduced or by whom it was produced or what it was about. Was it a movie or documentary. I would like to try and find a copy of it.
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master

Name the only two WGC"s that the only Celebration blue ribbons they ever won was the WGC class.
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broomman

this is one of the best posts I have ever read...great to hear from people who remember when horse showing was a business but also more importantly alot of people who loved the horses and enjoyed the company of everyone around not just people with all the money and no real horsemanship....As far as cantering I can remember when I began showing and I was around 6. Before I could show I had to learn to canter because that was the only classes that there were every Saturday night. It took alot of time and also effort and my Dad could have killed me several times but I learned and when my son is old enough to start showing he will have to learn how to canter a horse before I let him in the ring whether they canter or not.
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(Unknown)

Master,
Good question. I'm guessibg White Star, The Senator and The Pushover.
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BUBBADOG

Ebony's Senator & Shaker's Shocker
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(Unknown)

Shaker's Shocker won the 4 y.o. stud class before he won the WGC.
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Saddle Tramp

Maybe The Touch and Doc's High Tribute?

Haynes' Peacock in 1940?
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(Unknown)

A look into the past..is put out by the TWHBEA and is available on their site in DVD or VHS...
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(Unknown)

saddle tramp,
Haynes Peacock and High Tribute both won qualifying classes. I believe The Touch would be one.There may be more than two.
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(Unknown)

I think both Black Angel and City Girl won their first Celebration blues as WGCs.I'm pretty sure both The Senator and The Touch did as well, and possibly The Pushover.Another may have been White Star.
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Saddle Tramp

Moonglow,
Did you show Major's Mary Poppins? If so, tell us about him/her.

Another question - What was the number one criteria for a foundation horse when they started choosing them?

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twhlady

THE GAIT.

sarahlynn
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kywalker

The first trainer to show a set-tailed Tennessee Walking Horse was Jim Miller in 1917 at the Tenn. State Fair. The horse was Ham or Happy Ham, a bald faced, four-stockinged bay gelding with a white spot on one side that was champion nodding walk horse of the 1917 State Fair.

Golden Sunshine F-44 showed as a set-tailed TWH at the 1932 State Fair. He was ridden by Z. R. Pickens for Milky Way Farm, Pulaski.

Information source: The Tennessee Walking Horse, January, 1950, Vol. 6 No. 1 page 23.
A Brief History of Middle Tennessee Horse Shows by Margaret Lindsley Warden.
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(Unknown)

Saddle Tramp,
No I never had the pleasure of riding Major's Mary Poppins. I do remember her being a junior WC mare and also having great success with Jane Hardy in juvinile classes.
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twhlady

Saddletramp:

Was the number one criteria the GAIT of the TWH?

Sarah Lynn
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master

All good answers, the two were The Senator in 69 and The Touch in 93. Thanks for the good responses.
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(Unknown)

Master,
That was a great question and I'm sure had a lot of people scrambling for the answers. My research shows that in addition to The Touch and The Senator, both Black Angel and City Girl only won one Celebration blue, and that was the WGC.Black Angel had four reserves and some 3rd and 4th place ties, but only one blue.City Girl was fourth in the aged mare class in 1944 and went on to win the WGC that year.Prior to that she had 3 3rds and a seventh place tie.
Does anyone on this list know if The Pushover ever won a blue besides the WGC?
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master

Great research Moonglow. the Pushover won the 15.2 stud class in 89 with Kevin Gower up prior to being the reserve grand champ that year to Motown. New one: What was the original name of 74 champ Another Masterpiece and does anybody [ else ] know how he came to get the name Another Masterpiece?
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(Unknown)

Another Masterpiece was originally named Ebony's Pride H. Don't have a clue as to how he came to be named Another Masterpiece.
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master

Correct Moonglow. Mr Moore, who bought Ebony's Pride H. after the Celebration in 1970 saw a breeding advertisement for Ebony Masterpiece that had an insert picture of Pride H. and stated " breed to Ebony and you will get another masterpiece". He loved the name so much he had Pride H's name changed to Another Masterpiece. My first job in grade school would have me riding my bike to Mr. Moores barn [ Jay Cobb Stables ] each morning to clean Eb's [ as we called him ]stall everyday. Did not realize how attached I was of him until they moved him to Ronnie spears after the 1973 Celebration. Of course I am exteremely partial, but to me he was the Greatest WGC. On a side note that old barn is still standing today.
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Saddle Tramp

Sarahlynn,
The number one criteria was that they had to already be dead to be considered. Stud Book #1 says "these deceased sires and dams" in referring to the foundation horses. I always wondered why a horse that sired a foundation horse wasn't a foundation horse himself. Ed Nowlin F8 was by Merry Boy who was not a foundation horse. It was because Merry Boy lived a long time after they had named all the foundation horses.
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J441

This should prove to be tough...
Dr. Maurice Rawlings wrote a nationally published, controversial book called "Beyond Death's Door". Dr. Rawlings was a cardiologist and wrote the book after hearing people with near death experiences (he witnessed plenty) describe what they had seen when clinically dead.
One walking horse enthusiest from back in the 60's era was a studied subject for the book. Does anyone know this person's name?
Hint: His name has been mentioned earlier in this thread.
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Saddle Tramp

What walking horse person appeared on the tv show "To Tell the Truth" in the mid to late 60's?

I bought an older walking horse training book written by Amos Faw. Does anyone know anything about him?
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(Unknown)

History tells us that Merry Boy did not like to be ridden, and threw just about everyone that ever tried. He was a hard sell as a sire of saddle horses because very few people ever saw him under saddle.He was shown once as a two year old, and won his class. Who rode him at his first and only show?
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J441

Ray Tenpenny?
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J441

Guess my question above was too tough. David Howard mentioned this person in an earlier posting on this thread. One of Dr. Maurice Rawlings' subjects was Sheriff Ledford.
Dr. Rawlings daughter owned a winery with a long driveway leading to the offices. On either side of the driveway were Tennessee Walking Horses grazing in the lush pastures. Quite a sight.
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(Unknown)

J441,
You are very close, but not quite right.
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twhlady

Was the person Forrest Cates?

HELP, David. You probably know the answer.

sarahlynn
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howarddavidl

Which question?
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J441

The answer was Sheriff Ledford. The book is very interesting.
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twhlady

David - the answer was Gloria's father - Mr. Ledford.

sl
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master

New Question: Name the year and the four horses and riders in the WGC class workout in which three of the four received one first place vote [ only three judges in those days ]. One of the closest tied championship classes ever.
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makethecut

Was it 1968 with Go Boy's Royal Heir (Donald Paschal), The Entertainer (Joe Webb), Go Boy's Black Angel (C.A. Bobo), and Ace's Sensation (Wink Groover)?
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(Unknown)

Master,
Was the year 1970?
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C. Biscuit

I know we can't live in the past, this thread has reminded me of how much fun it used to be and how little enjoyment it produces now. In the Voice there was a victory pass and there are 6 people in the stands. I hope we can recover.

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twhlady

Anyone remember Garrick Utley and what he did?

Sarah Lynn
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Mason

C Bisquit
I thought it was just me....living in the past?....I have checked this History and Trivia thing every few hrs since it was started,and have enjoyed the post.They (shows) AINT NO FUN ANYMORE!...Too many good memorys of the old days I guess...This thing of showing now is TOO complicated for me to enjoy..I feel sorry for all the folks that are trying to show and cant enjoy the shows...WHY would someone put themselves in such a position with so many problems?I prefer Turtle Racing, NO PROBLEMS

Mason
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(unknown)

twhlady,
Wasn't Garrick Utley a T V news reporter? Mayby 60 Minutes?
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twhlady

Moonglow, yes he was the reported who presented information about our horse on network TV following the HPA.

sarah lynn
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twhlady

David Mason:

I think all of us who are older really yearn for days that are gone..........and I equate our present situation to Scarlett fighting so very hard and dreaming of happier times and a way of life that was reluctant to die.........

Our great and noble horse has survived - through it all......and with so many people pushing their own agendas, does anyone even think about the horse?

The problems are many.....and the future presents many mountains we must cross.

Are all the turtles hibernating?

Sarah Lynn
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howarddavidl

Here's a question: Who actually started the VOICE magazine?
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twhlady

David -

I think it was Ben Green - the man who authored BIOGRAPHY OF THE TENNESSEE WALKING HORSE - who originated Voice magazine.

Bruce owned it following that - and you and I both worked for him when the offices were on Rossville Blvd in Chattanooga - you for much longer than I.

Bruce sold to Jim Akers and Bobby Sands who in turn sold Voice to TWHBEA.

How might I obtain a copy of Mr. Green's book?

Sarah Lynn
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howarddavidl

Right on the money, Sarah Lynn.

I have wo copies o the book but neeed them for our archives. I have no idea where you could find another. Have a nice Thanksgiving!

David
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(unknown)

twhlady,
You can sometimes find a copy of Ben Green's book on e bay. I bought an autographed copy on there earlier this year.
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jwalker

I found this web page and it lists a re-print version of Ben Green's book. I haven't ordered or anything. Here is the web page http://www.fourcraftsmen.com/bio%20twh.htm
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everready

Mason
What was your email address, i could't make it out.

Everett
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twhlady

Two questions:

Which juvenile (youth) rider, riding what horse won the very first 11 and under championship?

Who was the very first pleasure championsip rider and what horse did he ride?

Sarah Lynn
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BUBBADOG

Was the juvenile 11 & under Beth Perot on Rising Sun?
Can't remember the pleasure horse's name (can't remember lots of things lately) but am pretty sure he was from California.
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jim19

This is the best forum/thread that I have read. Are there any old time Upper Cumberland show people. If so I would love for someone to be able to tell me the name of the people that owned the walking pony back in the mid 70's through the early 80's. He won everywhere that he went and I wondered if he ever won anything at the celebration
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makethecut

I don't know if it was the first or not , but a horse named Wall's Go Boy(I think) won the 11 and under class in 1968.
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Mason

Majors
I just saw your message ...I've been hunting in Iowa and just got in last night
dfmjjm@bellsouth.net
My Web address's for my dogs www.masonpatterdales.00go.com the 00's before go are zeros not OOs'
My BorderTerrier Website is
www.wartraceborders.com
Stay in touch...its ALWAYS good to hear from my OLD friends
Mason
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everready

Mason
For some reason your emails are coming back to me,email me at emajors@tampabay.rr.com and i will reply and see if that works.
Thanks

Everett
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big daddy

jim19, are you talking about Ebony's Dust H. that was shown by the Swafford boys from Pikeville, TN? If so I remember him and the boys did win several blues with him all over the Upper Cumberland area. As I recollect they showed him at the Celebration on several occassions winning ribbons, but no championships. He was a nice pony. Are you asking about Little Black Bart, the pony that Neysa Logan showed and won with in the Upper Cumberland area during the same time frame? Another nice pony, he was Black and the Swafford pony was Sorrell. Neysa also showed at the Celebration on occassion winning ribbons but no championships.
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jim19

the pony was sorrel and thank you so much for that infor. I really did enjoy watching that pony when he was in his prime. He was hard to beat and I also remember the other pony as well. I guess the longevity of the sorrel pony was the impressive thing to me and how consistent he was. Do those people show anymore or have they like so many others left the business
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J441

That brings up a couple more questions...
I worked two old great ponies on the downside of their "peak". These were true ponies, the tallest of which was about 13.2 hands.
The first was Little Evil and the second was Tombstone's Holiday.
Can anyone name their trainers and owners during their "heyday"? What did they win at the Celebration?
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Saddle Tramp

Little Evil was shown by Billy Rambo from Fayetteville TN.
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BUBBADOG

Did Billy train him? Or was it Horace Young? Speaking of Horace Young? Who remembers the silver horse that he
showed in the sixties?
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(unknown)

Bubbadog,
Was the horse Go Boy's Crystal Ball?
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BUBBADOG

Yep - you're right - Moonglow - did you happen to show a horse by the name of "Moonglow"?
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(unknown)

I did show a horse by Midnight Moonglow many years ago.

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fatpup56

Peck" Carlton (owner of Ebony's Senator) had a caddy dealership in Albany, Ga.

fatpup56
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(Unknown)

Atomic Star was 14.1 hands and won two pony world championships. What years did he win these Walking Pony World Championship titles?
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P Talley

Oh My Goodness!

Hello "old Friends"!

Just read this thread for the first time......What wonderful memories you have all brought back! I love seeing the names of those who contributed so much to the THW in the past, it is nice to know that they haven't been forgotten!

Priscilla Talley
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BUBBADOG

Hello Priscilla Talley - ain't this fun? I stumbled across it about a month ago and have been developing an addiction ever since. The "oldies" are not forgotten.

Cissy Best
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twhlady

Hi Priscilla,

Nice to hear from you. I hope all the family members are well. It is amazing the things that are discussed on this thread. You have so much experience and knowledge, please add your thoughts and ask some questions.

Sarah Lynn
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Mason

Thanks Priscilla for coming on here... isnt this fun.?..I wouldnt give a hoot about what happened yesterday but do love to hear about the old days & OLDER friends...Hello again Cissy!I do wish EVERYONE would use their REAL names..it would be more fun to us old timers

David Mason
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BUBBADOG

I'm with you on that Mason! In the words of Marvin Gaye "Things ain't what they used to be." I can't even remember the last time I went to a show - things are too different now - not nearly as much FUN as they were back in the old days - I think that all of this venturing into the past is good for us old people's brains - I'm remembering things that I thought were long forgotten. (Some of them probably should remain long forgotten.) Come on now - throw us another good trivia question.

Cissy
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big daddy

jim19,

the swafford boys are still showing horses. As a matter of fact Eric the youngest son is a State Representative for Bledsoe County, TN.
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jim19

thanks for that information, that was one of the families that you saw every saturday night in our area and like many of us...had decent horses but seemed to really enjoy what they were doing. It is so sad that the "business" now is just that and you can't see nearly as many people that truly love the horses, the people and the every saturday night shows. What a wonderful time we used to have showing in McMinnville on Friday Byrdstown on Saturday on the weekend of July 4th. Then just being able to show at the celebration was a thrill and so sad when it all ended.
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(Unknown)

Who remembers the horse that jumped the rail in the amateur stallion class at the Celebration, I think around 69 or 70, and ended up in a box seat near the entry gait? Name the horse and rider.
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master

Tommy Kerkels was riding an Ebony horse I think, but I cannot recall his name.
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(Unknown)

Master,
You got the rider, anyone remember the horse?
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BUBBADOG

Don't remember the horse's name - does anyone remember the horse that dropped dead in the warmup ring - late 60's early 70's.
Also - I doubt anyone remembers but the same thing happened to me in the pony class in the sixties - I was riding a white pony (turned bright pink when he was hot)He jumped into the Bishop's (from Evans Ga) box - I was so embarrassed & frustrated that I just handed "Ma" Bishop the reins and left! Tommy Kerkeles at least finished the class, didn't he?
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makethecut

Tommy Kerkeles horses name was Flashing Midnight Sun.
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(Unknown)

Makethecut, you are correct. Bubbadog was the horse that dropped dead in the warm up ring Mr. F T T?
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BUBBADOG

Thank you Make the Cut - I've been giving myself a headache trying to remember "Crashing" Midnight Sun's name - he was later shown in amateur classes by Susan Hunter. Yep - it was Mr FTT who died in the warm up ring.
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twhlady

Tommy Kerkeles riding (I think Black Market?) cantered and ended up in the first box from the out gate....got up, remounted, resumed the canter and completed the class..........quite a show..........

sarahlynn
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twhlady

Tony - and Cissy.

Speaking of Mr. FTT brings something else to memory. Remember Mr. Red Gochneaur arriving in his helicopter on the Celebration show grounds? I also remember Mr. Red's grooms handpicking the stalls clean at Harrisburg......I think Albert Lee trained for him then.

What was Mr. FTT named to promote?
(Can't you just see the expression on Ron's face if a helicopter attempted landing there now? That would be reason to call out homeland security.........)

Another question: Do any of you remember Emmett's jokes?

saralynn
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BUBBADOG

Sarah Lynn - Fashion Two Twenty Cosmetics - yes - Albert Lee did train for them -
another Gochneaur related question - who was Greg's beautiful wife & what was her pony's name?
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Mason

I remember the BIG R joke....He couldnt tell that one now...do you remember the time they retired the BIG R joke?He used to tell it and said Robert Peacock was the one driving the car. Peacock helped me at my place for several yrs as he & I got older. He was a wonderful person. He & I were very close.He was a good horseman, and took care of everything like it was his own.

Mason
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twhlady

Cissy - cannot remember Greg's wife's name though I do recall she was georgeous. I also remember the door almost closing on Greg and his horse while entering the ring at Montgomery Southern Championship one year.

Maybe you can help me with my memory. I posted questions about the 1st Juvenile 11 and Under champion and the 1st Pleasure Champion. I thought both of these were from GA. And I guess I was mistaken - but I thought Alicia Blackmon won the 1st 11 and under and Mr. C.B. McMullin from Rome won the 1st pleasure. As you are from GA, do you remember? Or maybe Tony can remember............

I have had another idea. I think it would be simply fantastic to have a class at a horse show for those of you who were so significant to our industry..... call it the MEMORIES CLASS........sort of a reunion....just to see you folks ride again one more time.... We would provide the horses..........Can't you just imagine seeing that? The thought almost brings tears to my eyes. I think I will explore the idea for the spring Wartrace show.......we can call it the WHReport Memories Class..........

sarah lynn
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Mason

We could all ride in on STICK Horses...that way we wouldnt get into any trouble and we would ALL get to show!

Mason
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twhlady

David - you are poking fun......and I am dead serious.

Bet Scott would get one ready just for you - want to make a wager?????

sl
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makethecut

Mr. FTT was named to promote Fashion Two-Twenty cosmetics.

makethecut
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(Unknown)

Greg Gochneaur's wife was Lynn Dougherty and she rode Setting Sun's Apollo.

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Mason

NO I'M SERIOUS...with STICK HORSES we would ALL get to show for SURE...otherwise some of us would be left out ....you know the odds of ALL US OLD FOLKS getting in?You KNOW the USD of A will be there and ruin it again
Mason
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makethecut

What former twh trainer became an Elvis impersonator and what horse was his claim to fame?
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everready

Jimmy Ellis, cant remember the horse,now i think about was it a pony?
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P Talley

Thanks for the note Sarah Lynn, David & Cissy!

Re: Jimmy Ellis.....Mr. FreeWheel

Jimmy died a tragic death several years ago.

RE: Stick Horse......The horse isn't the problem.....fitting into the old riding suit IS!

Priscilla
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twhlady

Priscilla:

So sad about Jimmy's early and tragic death. I did love Miss Mary Faye and Mr. Furniss..........

Jimmy also rode True Grit for Munroe and Margie and Roy and Edith from Chatom........even though Preach or Joe rode the horse to the championship........

Priscilla, when you think about all the wonderful AL folks........who are gone, and all those shows at virtually every pig trail crossing......it makes me truly thankful for the memories.....and sad for the days and great times that are gone.

Cissy......there were just as many people from SC and GA and great shows there............not just in TN, but all over the southland.........I noticed the obit for Mr. CC Johnson, a great supporter. (He took me to the Masters some years ago......I went to the US Open this year in Pinehurst with a 'friend' - not a horseman.......definitely NOT THE SAME.........)

David......can't believe you could even mention a STICK HORSE.......WITH ALL THE GREAT RIDES YOU HAVE HAD, GET REAL.......

You folks think I am kidding........nothing could be any better than having a class for you folks. Each of you could teach these folks today lots of things....

TENNESSEE WALKING HORSE FOLKS ARE THE GREATEST BREED IN THE WORLD.......always have been, always will be.

Sarah Lynn
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everready

Jimmy had a Great voice, just could not get the right breaks in the music bus. saw is show a many of times, he went by the name of ORION and wore a mask, like the lone ranger wore, now i am telling my age

Everett
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graymare

Everett, I read a book once, can't remember the name right now, that implied that Elvis was not really dead and that he satisfied his yearning to perform on stage by swapping some performance time with Jimmy as Orion. Not long after I read it, Jimmy died.
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everready

WOW, thats erie

Everett
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BUBBADOG

Sarah Lynn - which Sarah are you? - that suggestion brings tears to my eyes too - I haven't been on a horse for years & being away from them has left a huge void in my life. Why don't you work on that concept?
I could have sworn that one of the Perot children won the first eleven and under class, but I reckon I'm wrong. And I cannot believe that I can't remember Alicia's horse's name - or was it a pony?
Greg's wife was Lynn Doughty - and she endured a tremendous tragedy when both of her parents were found murdered in their home. They were some of the nicest people that I ever knew - tried to keep a gentle rein on "The Wild Bunch"
This is so much fun - we really need to keep this going - it's very good "therapy" Cissy (but I'm not from Ga - I'm from SC - just transplanted to Ga)
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BUBBADOG

Mason - you got any canter hats left over? I know that I would need one. cissy Or maybe we could all ride "little rascals" - I ain't sure I'd make it around the ring on a stick horse - have to stop in the curves and rest.
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BUBBADOG

It was a pony - can't remember his name though.
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BUBBADOG

Hey Priscilla - I would have to commission "Omar the Tent Maker" to construct a suit for me. All of my riding habits have been comandeered by skinny little "rock star" boys to perform in! It's hilarious & all the FANS want to know where they got them!
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P Talley

Cissy,

Perhaps we could entice show management to include a Stick Horse "Costume Class"!

I often think about the "Lady Riders on Rodehorse" Classes we used to have at the Celebration...what a hoot that was. Wonder if there are any vintage videos of that, would love to find one!

Priscilla
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twhlady

Cissy:

I think Suzy Perot rode Rising Sun.....Ross of course rode Hill's Perfection......The other Perot child, Nancy (maybe) rode a Sun's Delight horse......Red Shadow (maybe)......I wish David Howard would come on this thread and straighten out all the name confusion here.

As for the Sarahs...........I am Sarah Lynn Bledsoe, husband was David - Al trainer for many years. Way back when, I worked for the Voice and following that, I worked for the Sunday Journal and National WH News....many, many years ago.

I had forgotten that Greg married Lynn Doughty. I do know the sad story about Mr. and Mrs. Doughty - Mobile was the hometown I believe. They were very strong supporter of the TWH - like Earl and Ann Self, also from Mobile.

If my memory serves me correctly, Barnwell is your hometown......and you are now in GA. Makethecut can fill you in a bit about me if you are still confused. I can still remember your silver horse - (name?).........and others too.

Was Alicia's horse Rare Flair?

I will pursue the WHReport Reunion Class......This idea would really roll back the clock to much happier times for our industry.

Sarah Lynn
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BUBBADOG

Priscilla - Sarah Lynn said earlier that people could learn a lot from we old timers - wouldn't you say that was more than a mouth full?
As for the videos - frankly I'm kind of glad that video cameras had not come into vogue back in the day -think about it - some things were just not meant to be SEEN!
Remember sometimes in the early 80's there was an oldtimer's reunion during the Celebration with gag trophies (Judy Martin & I almost came to blows because I won the trophy for "fastest") Seems like you were there. Anyway it was a blast - maybe we could do that again.
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BUBBADOG

Hello Sarah Lynn - of course I remember both you & David - This is fun isn't it? Makes my old brain exercise - even though I have been away from the horses forever, I will always miss it - but things don't seem to be as much fun for people as they used to be. Who is MaketheCut?
Yep my hometown was Barnwell & I did ride a little "spray painted" silver horse - he was lots of fun - that horse really loved to go to the horse show.
I remember the day that my daddy & I first went to look at him. Preach had him over at 10 Tucky in Lewisburg. I can still remember how disappointed I was when a short stubby blue roan "pony" emerged from the stall. It took lots of "streaks & tips" to transform him from blue roan to silver.
You're right - Suzy Perot did ride Rising Sun - I'm getting those Perot chirrun all mixed up - & Alicia's horse was Rare Flair.
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twhlady

Cissy:
Answer to your question-Tony.
You and Margaret Hubbard rode the silver horses. Candace seemed to prefer the bays and the blacks. Remember Judy's mare and how heartbroken she was when she died?.....And then there were Burt and Anne from Gadsden......and the Coombs girls......And Priscilla's pony was always in the blues.....War Eagle (maybe ?)..
Wonder where Lissa Walls is now?

Priscilla:
Are any of the Coleman family still involved? Some of us were talking about all the shows we had in Alabama........and when Greensboro,AL was mentioned I remembered all those folks........that was back when Jamie was in Greenville........and up the road apiece was the Crawford family in Letohatchie and the Davis family in Montgomery and all the simply fantastic parties they organized for us.......The southern championship cannot ever have the "Fame" it once had down south in Montgomery. (Sincerest apologies to all you GA folks - no discredit intended for the show now -just remembering..........) When remembering that show, one must remember Big Jim Beasley.......does any of Susie's family still have horses?

Cissy - as for the video cameras......we all have the visions and the memories in our hearts if not on tape.........

Sarah Lynn
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BUBBADOG


Tony WHO?
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twhlady

Carter
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BUBBADOG

Oh my Lord - you mean my BROTHER is on here in disguise? Hey - Tone - now maybe we can talk to each other! Love you!
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BUBBADOG

Does anyone remember the silver Alabama/Tennessee pony who actually had his own fan club?
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makethecut

Can anyone name the juvenile(youth) rider and horse that were excused from the class, later re-admitted to the class and eventually won the class at the Celebration?
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Mason

Dont remember that one but I remember Setting Suns Delight and Ricky Womack getting pulled out of the culls that were about to be excused,...He won the class when they put them back on the rail...made a great show....

Mason
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everready

Cissy

Did huck moss train your horses

Everett
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Saddle Tramp

Does anyone remember Emmitt Guy's story "Nickel's Wuf of BB's"?

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J441

Hello Priscilla! Glad to hear from you!
Sarah Lynn, this is the best thread I've seen on this site. Thanks for starting it! I have been able to catch up with some old friends. By the way, a little trivia for you.... As you know, I judged racking horses for years, including the RHBAA Celebration four times. But when I was serving my apprenticeships, I served one under David.
For those of you who don't know, Sarah Lynn was a licensed RHBAA judge as well. David judged the RHBAA Celebration in '74 & '75, I think. Right Sarah Lynn?

Richard Hickey
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(Unknown)

Talking about horses getting pulled in from the culls, do you remember when Goldfinger and Dr. Apell were pulled in and won their class?
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twhlady

Richard,

David judged it a couple of times. I do not remember the years except he did judge the first one and another one too. David trained TW horses for most of the men who originated the registry. I began the pleasure program for them.........and put them in the ring in western attire too.......was the first co-ordinator for RHBA pleasure division.

The Racking Horse was really big for a long time. Then it just died. I guess when Billy and Margie Morgan and Joe Spivey left, perhaps there was not a lot of management and promotion? I understand the facility in Decatur is 'for sale.'

I had a phone call from Harold Blach a few weeks ago. He has remarried after Joni died. I caught up on Kit, Lisa and Bo......and the grandchildren.

Lots of really good people are well remembered on this thread. I agree with David Mason - the days that are gone were the best.........

Moonglow - (wish you would give your name because I feel I must know you) I remember Dr. Otto Apel well. I think he was from Ohio. Dr. Apel also was Pres. TWHBEA at one time - if my memory serves me correctly. Goldfinger was a great horse. Did Wink train Goldfinger or was his 'gold' horse Golden Sundust?

Sarah Lynn
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BUBBADOG

Yep - Huck was the first trainer to ever put me in the ring - I learned a lot from him.
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BUBBADOG

Sarah Lyn - Wink trained Goldfinger as a two & maybe three year old - I don't remember who trained him for the Apels. The answer to Tony's question earlier - Greg's Perfection & Greg Gochneaur(he told me the answer yesterday - that 's another one that I had forgotten although I remember it happening) Also Everett - after Huck - Mac trained my horses - had some with the Bobo's for a while & at Vic's then later on Larry Webb.
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twhlady

Cissy, Priscilla, Richard, Everett, David M:

All of these memories of happier times for us and our horses are far better than everything going on today.

I am very encouraged by the University of Tennessee study that proves the inherent gait that gives our wonderful horse the long stride in back and the lift in front. I have always had faith in the total credibility of our horse - now we in the industry must prove to the government and all the nasty public media people that which all of us always have known.......

You folks can forget the stick horse for a 'reunion class' that might be held........because you can mount up and once again have the "ride of your life."

Sarah Lynn
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everready

Sara
I would love for all of us to make that one big final ride before we all have to check out of our first life.
I am sure we could hitch a ride from some good owner.
Everett
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everready

Cissy
I was training horses in Augusta, Ga in the early 70's
i was thinking Huck had your horses then, Huck is a good person and a good trainer back then,also a good friend.

Everett
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BUBBADOG

Everett - I remember you well - Huck, Peggy Ann & all of the Mosses are some of the best people on the face of this earth - at least as far as I am concerned. Some of the best memories that I have are in that old barn over in Trenton. As for that final ride - it would be a lot of fun, wouldn't it? And I think that they should do the oldies just like the lead line - give us all a blue ribbon.
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twhlady

Cissy - Everett - and all.......

I will need some assistance with this idea. I work with the group of women who do the springtime show in Wartrace........there are 6 of us....I was show chairman Horses Walking for Charity Horse Show, Wartrace Show Grounds, April 15, 2006.....This has been decided to be an annual event.

I will propose this idea if all you guys and gals think there will be GUARANTEED participation. AND I EXPECT DAVID MASON TO SIGN ON TOO.

We can sell tickets like crazy......with everyone wanting to see you folks ride again.......probably sponsorships too...........

I will get Scott and Kathy to work on David.....they can even supply the horse.........Everett, you can come up from FL and visit with David....while anticipating THE EVENT.....

This does sound like fun......are we to name the class the WHReport Reunion Class?

A blue ribbon, the prize money that goes with the blue too.

Sarah Lynn
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everready

Cissy, i agree just ride for the fun and hoping none of us fall off, now that would be something too see

Everett
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everready

Sara, i'm ready and i need to visit both davids anyway,and that name sounds good to me.
Everett

Sara you can probaly this done, call mr. Johnson and see if my ride could be PUTTIN ON THE RITZ, I rode him one day when Sammy Day was at WATERFALLS , had to be the greatset ride i ever had, I have a video and watch it ever once in a while.
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broomman

How many of you remember Greg's roadster pony name?
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BUBBADOG

Hey what happened to our thread? It was going real good for a while - no I don't know Greg's road pony's name - what was it? Does anyone know which WGC from the sixties supposedly had a club foot?
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broomman

Chocolate Chip was the roadster pony.

I also enjoy this trivia thread. Brings back a lot of memories. Goes along with my collection of walking horse items that I saved or found.

Now if you know this horse you have been around.

Lucanes Leading Lady.
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twhlady

Cissy:

All those meetings were held to elect leaders.... Read Christy's articles about the elections and you will see. (You probably only remember her as a child. She is all grown up and a fantastic reporter - truly her father's child...)

Over on the chat web site there are also people who sometimes allude to the 'good old days.' Any of us around long enough to remember the meaning of "horse family" which in many cases was stronger even than genetic ties.....are having real problems with all the divisions going on. That is why so many of us oldies read and respond on this site.....and remember the goodtimes.

You've been absent so long that you would not recognize the scene anymore. Once we could ride like heck to beat each other and then eat and party together in true companionship and congratulate the winner. Those days are gone. Everything is cut-throat. Everyone is out to one-up the other........Bunches of organizations all trying to outdistance the other. Everyone lobbying for power.

And now there is a very strong contingency of activists who would see the performance horse gone. They have absolutely no comprehension of the fact that our horses all reach to the exact same genetic origin........are one and the same exactly...

UT has done a study that reveals the single distinguishing factor possessed by our horse that separates it from every other breed.....the gait. We all knew the special place our horse owns in the eqine world...and now we will prove it to the world...again.

Once the newness of the elections is settled in everyone's minds, they will be back.

By-the-way, what was the pony with the fan club?

sarah lynn
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howarddavidl

Who started the VOICE magazine?
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BUBBADOG

Was it Ben Green?
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BUBBADOG

The pony was Dan's Go Boy - you remember Woody & Amy Marks, don't you?
Yes - the Walking Hose business does seem to be in a sad state of affairs - to restate the cliche' - "A house divided cannot stand" - this divisive mentality was not entirely foreign back in my day - however I think you are right - there is tremendous negativity apparent on this message board - until everyone manages to get on the same page with the good of the breed in mind - never mind - flat shod or performance -they are all still Walking Horses - special and unique - the most versatile breed in existance - without a reigning world champion for the first time in history - it's just sad! What is it going to take for everyone to start pulling in the same direction?
I'm sure that I don't have the answer and I don't know who does. I haven't even been to a horse show in years because, as you stated Sarah Lynn - the fun just isn't there anymore - when we could ride like hell trying to beat each other but retain friendships in spite of rivalry - those were the days weren't they?
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howarddavidl

Yes, it was Ben Green. Who did he sell it to?
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twhlady

David:

Mr. Green sold the Voice to Bruce Spencer - a man for whom both you and I worked.
Did you know that our mutual friend is now a PHD in the field of psychology?

Sarah Lynn
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Red Ace

Well, this has quieted down. So now. All of you that have been showing forever. What was the first year you showed at the Celebration. I will date myself. Mine was in Equitation in 1953. Was out of the money.
But sure had fun.
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J441

Last time I talked to Bruce (many years ago) he had started the National Knife Collector and National Pipe Collector magazines, along with The Glider Rider. He was also a founder of The National Knife Museum in Chattanooga. By the way, David could answer my earlier post about Little Evil...he was also shown by Pam Broome, Bill's daughter. Tombstone's Holiday was trained by Flip Cook in his better days on the GA circuit.
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kywalker

I saw my first Celebration in 1955 when I was helping Dr. O. B. Neeley from Union City, TN. I showed Sun Dust's April Boy B in the two year old stallion class in 1965. My first ribbon came in 1994. My children have done better!!

Does anyone know the show name for Sun Dust's April Boy B that made him famous?
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everready


Sara
email me at emajors@tampabay.rr.com
thanks

Everett

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jim19

Does anyone remember the first couple of people who were ever turned down/ excused from the celebration. I don't want this to be negative but I believe it will also be funny and especially since things were so different then and also that horsepeople were really horsepeople
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twhlady

More questions:

What country singer did a TWHBEA promo for our breed?

What was the name of his performance horse?

How did he describe the trail gait?

I understand he is now deeply involved with gospel music.

sarahlynn
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everready

Was it Ed Bruce
Everett
Sara email me at emajors@tampabay.rr.com
Got something to tell you
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J441

I would guess Ed Bruce too. He sang at our church about a year ago & was really good.
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(unknown)

Its A Matter Of Pride?
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everready

Yep that was Ed's horse's name

Everett
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everready

If anyone has one of our triva games, i would buy a couple of them. Email me at emajors@tampabay.rr.com
Thanks

Everett
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broomman

kywalker:

You should know Lucanes Leading Lady
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J441

Hmmm...
I saw another thread on this site asking where they could get a riding coat made. This stirred a memory, or rather lack of. Many years ago there was a tailoring shop on the square in Lewisberg that made riding suits for most of the middle TN trainers. I got my first real riding suit there. I think it was Moss & Barham or something like that. Does anyone remember this shop?
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Mason

Yes I bought my first riding suit from them....thought I'd made the bigtime...NEVER paid that much for anything to wear before that...the suit was probably worth more than the horses I was showing at the time! GUESS? those folks have passed away by now?

David Mason
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twhlady

Moss and Barham is closed. An extrordinary place to be fitted for a talior-made riding habit.........

I wonder if Rippeys in Danville, VA is still open.

What was the name of the hat shop where all the men's hats were purchased?

sl
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(unknown)

I know this is a very long shot, but would anyone on here have any old magazines with show results from the 1947 Shreveport, La. show? I'm trying to find out who won the stallion and gelding class.
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J441

David,

My suit from M&B was top quality, but came at a bargain price. My dad and I went to a function in Shelbyville where the Ladies Auxiliary held a fund raising auction. My dad had been...um...socializing and decided it was time I got a real riding habit. He paid $325 for the suit. I was fitted the next week, got my suit a month later, then wore it that weekend showing a trail pleasure mare in a saddle club show after paying a $3 entry fee. One of those things you'll always remember.
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Mason

The first time I showed I showed in Madison Tn I think...behind the high School.....about 1959-60....showed a pony...Judy Wiser (Martin) won the class on Shadows Jet. I didnt own a riding suit..showed in a Sunday coat and a pair of tight pencil legged dress paints(PRE-BEATLES) that were a bit long for me...got them at a bargain store in Murfreesboro for the occasion.Didnt get as much as a smell of a ribbion...but wouldnt be any happier today to show a WGC....THOUGHT I was on the road to the Celebration!
Hadnt thought about all this stuff in yrs...

Mason
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everready

Mason

When we were in grade school in beechgrove ,I had to wear BLUE JEANS to school thats all my dad could afford,i cant remember did you wear Blue jeans or dress pants.reason for asking i told my dad when i grow up that i would never wear blue jeans again, some of the boys in school wore dress pants and thats what i wanted to wear, thats just a fetish i had. When i got my first training job at 17 in orlando,Fl.for Mr Floyd pursell i took all my pay check and bought 4 pairs of dress pants and burned those BLUE JEANS, NEVER OWNED A PAIR SINCE.ain't that just nuts i write a few songs just for the heck of it, they might be a good song it this,i thought this would be fun to share this with everyone.

Everett
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Mason

No I'm STILL wearin Jeans...but they do fit..they aint fallin off..and I dont have to keep one hand free to pull them up every few steps...Say you write a few songs..I'm playing a little Gospel (mostly) Bluegrass with a group of folks now....we play Churches, fund raisers..GOAT ROPIN's, de-hornins'and stuff like that..Played here in Wartrace at a cafe on Fri nights for about 7 months...they lost so much $$ they had to close er down...probably the band!Aint lots of money in Bluegrass esp Gospel but its fun...My wife plays an upright bass...we enjoy it not for the $ or we would be VERY disappointed
Send us some songs

Mason
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J441

I started showing quarter horses, but my first time in the ring showing a gaited horse was on a little roan saddlemare at a country show on a cold October night. I wore jeans, cowboy boots and hat, and a heavy winter coat. I kicked her up a little too fast on the second way, but that country crowd of spectators got behind me. I had never heard cheers like that before and was hooked immediately.
I was a teenager who didn't have much self esteem at the time, and after the next time I showed, David Howard had written something nice about me in his article in a Chattanooga newspaper. I carried that article to school and showed it to everyone I knew. It was a real boost when I needed it and I'll always appreciate that kind gesture.
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twhlady

J441:

Speaking of the Chattanooga newspaper, who was the lady who wrote the column Hoofbeats or Hoofprints for that paper? Your mention of that paper (possibly the Times or the Free Press) has generated countless images in my mind....

Battleground Stables, located across the ridge in Ft. Oglethorpe (I think), was a premier spot for horsemen to gather......with Babb and Brantley and P. Smith all having trained there....and with some really top-notch world championship type horses. (Seems like there was a Breeders' promo film including an absolutely fantastic bay horse that was there.........but I cannot recall either the horse or the rider........)

This stables, coupled with the people involved, were very instrumental in developing the TWH industry in that area.........the showgrounds at Ooltewah was built where countless shows were held each year....
Heritage Farms was established where many champions were offered at stud.........and shows were held each year at all the towns in the vicinity, Trenton, Rossville, Cleveland, Dunlap, S. Pitteburg, Ft. Payne, Dalton, Calhoun.........the list can go on forever.

Wonder what would be required to resurrect some of the interest.........and some of the shows that we all enjoyed so much..........Most all of the people who were so instrumental in the industry development there are now gone........

Voice magazine was published from that area, and I think Ben Green possibly came from that vicinity. I also remember one of the larger banks (Hamilton Bank, maybe)featuring a huge picture of one of the great WGC horses high on the side of the building...seems like the rider was Don Paschal.........can't remember which horse..........

Ironically - we are able to communicate on this exact web site as a result of the extremely promotive ideals of the Chattanooga area people. David Howard's first involvement and devotion to the TWH was born there (I think). He can correct me should I be wrong.....

sarahlynn
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makethecut

Mr. Barham of Moss and Barham passed away a few months ago. He was also the breeder of Shaker's Shocker. He told me that the dam of Shocker put his daughters through college with her foals.
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Mason
I write tear jerkers,i have one called The Country Musican,the story line is about and OLD picker and singer that walks into a bar, this one guy says to the bartender, BARTENDER GIVE HIM A DRINK AND MAKE IT A DOUBLE ON ME ,LETS SEE IF HE'S THE COUNTRY MUSICAN THAT HE USED TO BE,see where this is going,then he pass's away.I wrote this many yrs. ago for George Jones,never could get it to him.had a friend of mine got a guy to do a demo c.d. sounds just George Jones.back in my drinking days i could write that kind of stuff, dont drink no more cant write nothing now.

Everett
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J441

Faye White did the "Horses and People" column for years while she was married to sports editor Austin White. She later married Paul Smith and moved to Shelbyville where they owned and ran L&M Awards, the horse show ribbon company. At some time they also owned and ran a small market in that area, though I cannot remember where. I just remember the thick-cut fried bologna sandwiches she made.
Faye had a daughter named Nancy who, as the story went, was on the telephone with on of Randall Rollins' daughters when lightning hit the line and electrocuted the Rollins girl. I always wondered if the story was true and where Nancy is today.
I think the bank you are talking about was Pioneer Bank on Broad Street, right? I have seen the picture but cannot remember the horse. Maybe it was Midninght Mack K. I heard there was a huge portrait of him in Chattanooga tht was appraised recently.
You remember Jimmy Brown, Howard Hundley (sp?), Jimmy Fuller, and Chelsey Perkins, right?
Who was the girl from Lookout Mountain who showed Huckleberry Rose?
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(unknown)

There was a gal from East Tn. who showed a mare named Huckleberry Rose that was at Vic Thompson's for a while. Her first name was Louise, can't remember her second name.
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kywalker

Rise and Shine was the winner of the Stallion and Gelding Class at Shreveport in 1947. He was the entry of Mr. and Mrs Yandell. He was reserve in the Stake to Black Angel. Rise and Shine was probably ridden by Billy Grubbs.

This information came from the July, 1947, issue of the National Horseman.

Forrester
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pushingrage

The girls name you are talking about was Louise Koplin who owned Huckleberry Rose. Wink Groover won a world championship on this mare as well. Huckleberry produced two foals...one a stud and one a filly. We bought her bay filly when she was coming 3 years old and started her. She had a great show ring career (Prides's Gift of Roses). We also bought Huckleberry Rose later on from Louise when she was about 15 with conditions that if we could not get her in foal we could return her. We had to return her after Dr. Owens determined she would never get in foal again. Louise was such a nice person and truly loved her mare.

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twhlady

Dr. DeWitt Owens was a great man, a great and cherished friend, a great veterinarian, and a great friend of the TWH.....And by some of us in this industry, he will never be forgotten.............

sl
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pushingrage

Yes Dr. Owens was a great person and vet. If he told you something, you could pretty much take it to the bank that it was what he said.

Nancy Ladd
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J441

One memory leads to another on this thread. Dr. Owen was a great vet.
Of course, you also have to remember the farriers: Dan Arnold, R.C. Hughes & Nick Hess, Johnny Cabe & Jimmy Cunningham, Hayes Coe, just to name a few. To my farrier frinds, I'm not leaving anyone out intentionally, just trying to name some of those from years gone by.

Twhlady, do you remember Myrtle Dye? She was a very fine lady who owned TWH and ASB horses years ago in the Chattanooga area.
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(unknown)

Kywalker,
Thank you for the info on the Shreveport winner, Rise And Shine. Does the magazine list the other horses in the class?
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kywalker

1947 Shreveport, LA May 22-24
Stallion & Gelding Division
1. Rise and Shine..............Billy Grubbs
2. Hiram Walker................Walter Walt(?)
3. Cotton Picking' Mac.........W. L. Cochran
4. Tulpen Hoaken Boy...........Y.C.Y. Stables

Rise and Shine was second in the Stake to Black Angel and won the 4 year old stallion and geldings. He beat Pride of Panola.

Are there other shows or horses of interest?
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(unknown)

Thanks again Kywalker. I bought a blue ribbon on e bay that was won at the Shreveport show in 1947 and on it was the stallion and gelding class. I had no idea who won it untill you gave me the information.I found out that Rise And Shine was the reserve junior WGC at the 1946 Celebration behind Merry Go Boy but don't see where he showed at the Celebration after that year.
Thanks again.
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ddfarms

The most entertaining thread yet! I love it to hear all these great stories. I have read books, looked up info online, and all and this is by far one of the most informative sources I have seen!
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BUBBADOG

Sarah Lynn - I think that the bay horse was Big Shot's TBird

cissy
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BUBBADOG

Camille Whittle showed Huckleberry Rose - ooops - guess I'm wrong about that- what did Camille Whittle show?
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howarddavidl

The horse was Big Shot's T Bird. He was owned by Billy Joe Robinson and trained by Billy Brantley.
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Sittin Deep

Hey David Mason. You said in an earlier post you spent a lot of time with Steve Hill. I was a huge fan of Hill's Perfection when I was a kid and still think he was as natural a walking horse as I've ever seen. Tell us a little about his history as a young horse. Did he really run wild out west until he was an aged horse? I've always wanted to hear about him from someone who actually knew.
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C. Biscuit

Camille Whittle showed a horse named Sun Dust Gal trained by Wink Groover
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BUBBADOG

Thank you C Biscuit
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Mason

When Buddy Hugh left Steve Hills, Steve called me to come and work at his place. I was raised around Beechgrove (Hoovers Gap) and had known Steve all my life. He knew I was interested in Walking horses and offered me a job riding colts. Hill known then by the name THE NORTH DAKOTA GELDING was in the old barn at Steves...he had his better Show horses in the training barn. I remember them saying he came from N.D. in an open Stock Truck and was pretty wild...I think 4 or 5 yrs old. (Johnny Brown would know for sure) There was also a colt by him about a 3 yr old ....Buddy had broken both them by the time I went there. Johnny started riding Hill and I started riding the colt. From there on the NORTH DAKOTA gelding started making Walking Horse History. I do remember him being very natural. I THINK the man who owned HILL at the time stayed at the Hotel in Wartrace. I dont know for SURE but I dont think he was paying the training bills and they got to be fairly high. I am not sure (FIND Johnny Brown )but believe Steve had to more or less TAKE him for the bill against him. AGAIN I'M NOT positive on these events about the money thing. I was young and wasnt interested in anything about the money aspect of the TWH. I just wanted to see how high they could step! Anyway Steve started showing him as HILLS PERFECTION the next spring. WHAT a HORSE. I rode him a few times at Steves before he was famous, but Johnny Brown and Buddy Hugh deserve ALL the credit for making HILLS PERFECTION. I rode him a few times again yrs later at Mr. Bobos when I'd visit. Oh yes.... the story I heard was he ran wild on the plains in N.D. til the man brought him to Steves place in that open top cattle truck along with the colt...yrs later I heard his reg name was Reycliffs Mid-Merry..not sure about MY spelling...I NEVER heard him called anything but the North Dakota Gelding at Steves til he started showing him as Hills Perfection.

David Mason
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BUBBADOG

OOOOOOOOh David Mason - don't you feel like the WISE OLD man? Everybody asking you questions bout the olden days AND you got the answers!
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broomman

That is a great story!

Lucanes Leading Lady was mare trained by Leonard Willis in Eldorado, Il at Lucane Stables owned by a Dr. Thompson.

The name Lucane is quite interesting also.

There was also an interesting mare there by the name of Go Boy's Cyclone.

In 1968 there was a 4.9 earthquake there. We were in the barn at the time watching Leonard ride. I was 19 and man I thought the world was coming a part - horses went nuts.
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Mason

I feel like an OLD man alright HA...HA!

Mason
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makethecut

flat shod. I would like a copy of the prices too. I hope we ren't asking for too much. Thanks sable@carolina.rr.com
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MINI ME

Was Go Boys Cyclone the mare JIM PEARL showed?
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fatpup56

Is Hill's Perfection buried in Texas at Perot's? How old was he at the time of his death?
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twhlady

Did we not sing 'Happy Birthday' to Hill's Perfection at the Celebration one year?

sl
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makethecut

Yes we did and his "birthday cake" was a decorated cube of hay.
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broomman

I do believe at one time he did.

Good mare, but you should have seen how she hauled!!

Went crazy at times. Get to ths show and she would be scared up on the hips from thrashing around!

But a good mare.
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twhlady

Makethecut:

If my memory serves me correctly, Ross Jr. had just won again the Juvenile World Championship and the organist (whom I think probably was Jimmy Richardson instead of Larry) struck up the chord for the song.

Folks please imagine.........just close your eyes and picture in your mind the Celebration..........The entire stands were packed full because this was back in the old days when there was standing room only for the spectators.....people were literally crammed like sardines into the general admission seating section.....
standing three and four deep in all the aisles, sitting sometimes eight people in a box...(This was before all the new additions were added for box seating.)

This was the final Saturday night in Shelbyville - Championship Night and only a couple of classes away from 'the big one.' (The young competitors were then called 'juveniles' as opposed to today's politically correct terminology of 'youth.')

There in the ring stood many notables.... A great horse...A popular and accomplished young rider...The silver and tri-colored championship ribbon had just been awarded... Mr. Charlie and all the crew from Bobo Farms was center ring...The crowd was cheering...Out comes the birthday cake through the entry gate.......
and all of us got to our feet and sang 'Happy Birthday" to a wonderful horse, Hill's Perfection...........

Maybe we have made progress.........sometimes I wonder.

Sarah Lynn
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Mason

Wonderful story...what a memory

Mason

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jim19

That is an awesome story, could you tell me what year that was. I am not as old as some but cherish the memories that i have as well as the stories that I have learned over the years. It is so sad that today you don't see the comraderie as in years past. I guess the business part really hurts some. I can remember my first time showing and not getting a ribbon but feeling like the celebration was only a short step away. haha
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Mason

TWO JOE WEBB TRAINING BOOKS ON EBAY ..listed under walking horse for anyone that doesnt have one

Mason
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fatpup56

I got out my 'old' 33 1/3 RPM record of Jimmy Richardson at the Celebration. The album is entitled "SOUNDS OF THE CELEBRATION". The photo on the front is before the general admission stands and there are telephone poles around the ring. The ring is completely full of horses and grooms. This history thing is getting the best of us.
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twhlady

Fatpup, what do you mean 'getting the best of us?"
I have been thrilled to chat with so many friends with whom I had lost contact...and the memories are soooooo fantastic..........

sl
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fatpup56

This history thing is 'bringing out the best in us'. That is what I should have said............
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twhlady

OK - here goes another question. Remember the Hi Hat?

Also let's talk about The Elite. Any of you folks remember?????

sarah lynn
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everready

Resturants

Everett
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twhlady

Where, Everett? Anything significant about them?

sl
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everready

HI -HAT was in lewisburg, cant remember the elite, remember the name not the city
I'M not that old it must be the OLDTIMERS

Everett
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J441

What about "The Merry Go Round"?
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twhlady

The Elite - and some pronounced it as eelight - was the cafe downtown Montgomery were we ate loads of oysters on the half shell and washed them down with the brew from Lynchburg.........good food, good friends and good times rememberes..........

Hi Hat was run for a long time by Albert Lee and Onita Rowland.........a real gathering place for horse folks.

Richard - do not remember the Merry Go Round.....sounds familiar - but just can's remember.

sl
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everready

MERRY GO ROUND WAS IN SHELBYVILLE WHERE KFC IS NOW

NO i am wrong it is was up from toby greens barn, been there many times, sorry had a senior monument,cant spell either
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Sittin Deep

Thanks David for the great look back at Hill, and thanks Sarah Lynn for the mental image you created. Being fortunate enough to ride Hill's Perfection every time I went to visit Mr. Bobo's for a two or three year period, taught me how a "good un" was supposed to feel. I've never forgotten it. I think he was about 18 or so when I rode him last. ...a truly great (and that word is overused these days) horse. Thanks again to both of you.

Jim
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Sittin Deep

Here's one that might be kind of obscure... Was anyone out there Mike's Mighty Delight fan? Can you name who started the little rascal?
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twhlady

Was that the pony Dr. Reid owned and Pam showed as a child?

sl
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BUBBADOG

Was the Elite in Montgomery?
Anyone remember Cross's?
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BUBBADOG

Oh LORD! Tullahoma Highway - COLD BEER!
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BUBBADOG

Yes it was Pam Reid's pony - did someone in NC start him - Jack Johnson, maybe? Then he went on to Bobo's.
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twhlady

Cissy - great to see you again doing the trivia thing......I thought Cross's was at Cornersville....

I know Jack was at Taylorsville and Dude was at Creedmore and Charlie was at Joe Bales' farm. I just cannot remember who first trained Pam's pony. Dr. Raid was a veterinarian.......as was Dr. Ellis up in Greensbro.....Strange how the mention of the name of one great little horse can bring back so many vivid memories - some not even related to that specific horse at all.........

Back during those days there were as many people from NC and SC involved with the TWH - training and showing - as there were in TN.......Where did all the intereest go?

Also, during those days Alabama was second only to TN in number of training facilities, number of registered horses, number of shows.....and the list goes on and on....

Sarah Lynn
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Mason

I was trying to think of CROSSES last night but wasnt SURE if that was the name....Yes I remember it...WE ARE OLD CHILD!

Mason
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BUBBADOG

YES! WE are OLD - but ain't we had fun? Remember Miss Ann's in Murfreesboro? & Marsha Witherspoons famous suppers - every night - with out fail - enough to feed an army - and those tomato dumplings - never had any quite like them before or since!
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makethecut

I thought Pam's ponys name was Mike's Mighty Man (sire of Mike's Mighty Delight), but who knows, these senior moments are coming more often these days.
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Sittin Deep

Mike's Mighty Delight was started by Luther Hankins (Jamie Hankins father) in Providence KY. Dorris Keach owned him and then moved him to Bobo's after it was obvious he was a big-time horse. I think Mr. Keach kept him his entire career, but I could be wrong on that. I know the Bobo's won at least a couple of 15.2 WC on him, and I believe he showed in the big stake one year and some thought he was the best horse there. He was small, but he sure could walk a hole in the ground.
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(unknown)

Mike's Mighty Delight was reserve WGC behind Bumin Around. Anyone remember Thr Key Hole Club?
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twhlady

Ah Ha, Moonglow. The Key Hole was in Harrisburg, PA. We used to go there after the big show there........I really think I must know you.........just can't put a face......certainly do not know the name. Were you in any manner associated with the horse that is your s/n?

YES - TONY. Pam's horse was maned Mike's Mighty Man. Guess the Mike's Mighty.....threw me off. You are so correct. Please understand that my memory does not have the recall of yours.......

Sarah Lynn

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(Unknown)

I'm talking about another Key Hole Club, the one in Montgomery.It was a late night place that a lot of folks used to go to after the show.Bud Dunn used to shut them down just about every night.
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J441

Bud took my dad to the Keyhole Club many years ago. Dad still tells the tale to this day. Seems they met Walt Garrison (former Dallas Cowboys running back) there. Farrier Bill Bradey was at the table & could tell you the rest. Quite a story. I don't believe Walt ever wore another necktie when he was around Mr. Bud.
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twhlady

Once again I am confused. The Key Hole Club was in Montgomery.............and a fantastic place to gather.

The name of the club in Harrisburg was the Two Ten Club.........VG Gochneaur used to rent the entire club for our get-togethers following the show.........

Guess my memory is far worse than I thought.

sl
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everready

Seen several of the guys having fun throwed out of that place. Montgomery used to be as exciting as the celebration, i know for me i looked forward to going there more than the celebration.

Everett
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everready

HEY
Where did everybody go, just like a bunch of horse people,with the people on this thread i cant believe we all shut up at the same time, this might be some kind of record.

Everett
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jwalker

What happened to Fashion Two Cosmetics? Mr. Gochnear owned a lot of horse at one time. What's the rest of the story?

JS2
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Sittin Deep

Mike's Mighty Delight will forever hold a special place in my heart for a most unusual reason. My little boy was "too busy" to be potty trained. The only way I finally succeeded was to let him find pictures of his favorite horse & rider, Mike's Mighty Delight & C.A. Bobo, in the Report! He would yell their names throughout the house while on the toilet! I guess it was a guy thing.

Love this thread. The memories of the horses and people are great.

Sittin Deep
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(unknown)

That's funny JS2. I was a huge Bobo fan and had many a memorable trip to his barn when I was young. I'm not sure Mr. Bobo had quite as profound an effect on me as he did on your son, but he still ranks up there as one of the finest men I've ever met. A true class act and a gentleman.
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Mason

I agree with you folks about Mr Charlie Bobo. He was my last HERO Trainer in the TWH business. I grew up here in middle Tennessee like most kids had heros,but not ball players ..mine were walking horse trainers...Steve Hill, Sam & Donald Paschall,on and on...BUT AFTER I grew up (maybe I havent yet?) Mr. Charlie moved to Middle Tennessee. I got to know him and he helped me several times when I was struggling...He sent me one of his own horses once to work ....I think he was trying to help me more than he needed ME to work the horse. I respected him and ask for his advice many times.When I started to do something I'd ask myself WHAT WOULD CHARLIE DO? I miss him.A CLASS ACT ALL THE WAY!

David Mason
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(Unknown)

I remember when Mr. Charlie's operation was so big, Johnny Cabe was the in house farrier. They were working so many horses that Johnny sometimes got another farrier to come in and help him keep up. Mr. Charlie paid them at the end of each day.He was a class act.
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BUBBADOG

Everett - Been out of town and off the computer for a while - I ain't forgot about all of the old folks. This is turning out to be fun - when I can find the time to play on the internet - Merry Christmas
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Jimr

Just found this thread yesterday and spent a good part of the day reading the wonderful posts. What great memories! I don't know many of you personally, but recognize your names. David M., so good to hear from you. I was just remembering where we first met...at church camp, when we were about 12 or 13. I believe it was held at Betheny Hills, near Montgomery Bell State Park. Later remember when we rented stalls at Clyde Jernigans barn when Charlie Martin trained there. As you know, I droped out of the business very early while you stuck with it and made it to the top of your profession. When you won on Super Stock I was really proud of you.

Jim Ryan
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BUBBADOG

I rmember those "Bobo" days too - had horses out there - and thought that Bill Bobo hung the moon - he did a great imitation of my daddy - not to mention all the great horses I was lucky enough to get to "hit a lick" on - gosh I'm glad that I've got these memories.
You out there TONY?
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everready

Thanks cissy
And a Merry Christmas to you and everyone on this thread.

Everett
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Mason

Jim good to hear from you...my email address is dfmjjm@bellsouth.net contact me I'd like to talk over OLD TIMES

Mason
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pushingrage

David Mason,

I remember when we were first getting into TW horses, we went to a pretty big show that I thought was either in Decatur, AL, Atlanta, GA, or Montgomery, AL where you decided to have a stand off with Wink with the rest of the stake contenders going to one end of the ring with you and Wink Groover on the other with him I believe on Majority Leader or Minority Leader. I think you were on Super Stock. I do remember that Wink made some kind of statement that if he had to do it, then the rest of the class had to also. Eventually, everyone got back on the rail and had a good stake class. )

I just can't for the life of me remember which show and where.
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makethecut

I'm here Cissy. Send me your e-mail address.
tlc30518@yahoo.com
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Mason

Seems like to me we thought WINKS Chains were a bit large....dont remember ALL the details..but whatever we THOUGHT it mattered then...we ARE all still friends....I THINK that was at the Trainers Show in Stone Mt. Ga

Mason
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Sittin Deep

David, I really think Mr. Bobo enjoyed helping someone more than he did anything. I think he really had a knack for seeing though the bull and he could tell who was really genuine about who they were. I just wish I had stayed closer to him before he left us. He was one in a million and there'll probably never be another like him. What about that stake class ride on Sensational Shadow. I'm not sure there's ever been another trainer who truly worked as hard, and rode as hard as he did to win that class.
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(Unknown)

One year C.A. Bobo won the two y.o. championship and the junior championship. Can anyone name the year, the horses and the owner?
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everready

Delights Red Shadow was the 2 yr old i think, perot owned him cant remember the yr. are the 4 yr old.it was late 60's i think

Everett
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(Unknown)

Everready,This was earlier, junior horses were 3 y.o.s when this happened.
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everready

By golly you are right,i just cant remember i thought i remembered about ever horse mr. c.a. won with at the celebration, like everyone else he was one of my idol's back when i was training.

Everett
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scooter

Who was the meanest WGC? When did he win and does anyone have anecdotes about his true disposition?
Did he pass his devilment on to his offspring?
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MINI ME

I heard PUSHOVER was a handfull. Was it him?

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Jimr

In 1959 C.A. Bobo won the Two Year Old Mare Class and Championship on Lou's Lu Lu and the Junior Mare and Championship on Fair Warning B. I believe they were both owned by Joe Bales of North Carolina
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(Unknown)

Jimr,You are correct.Two mares owned by the same person winning the 2y.o. and junior championships in the same year had to be the thrill of a lifetime.I believe they both went on to have long and successful careers in the show ring.
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C. Biscuit

I vote for Mack K's Handshaker as the meanest WGC. Always heard Merry Go Boy was mean as a young horse but I was never around him.
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Mason

Aces Sensation was a lot of fun I remember..ASK WINK GROOVER.

Mason
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Jimr

Moonglow 66, I don't remember much more about Lou's Lu Lu after winning the Two Year Old Championship, she may have, but you're sure right about Fair Warning. She won many more world championships under Mr. Bobo and later Wallace Brandon.
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scooter

Ace's Sensation was who I had in mind. I heard that when he was being broken (I think at Vic Thompson's barn, may have been Harold Kennedy, don't really remember) he would throw his rider and they would have to back him into a corner with pitch forks. If anyone knows more I think it is fascinating how some of our best have been handfulls.
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Mason

I think Harold Kennedys was where Aces Sensation was started...HAROLD KENNEDY...thats another story.I remember Harold when he was at Davis Bros ..then in Texas at Circle T. Ranch....didnt know him then but got to know him after he moved to Middle Tenn. He was a FUN guy to be around!

Mason
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scooter

You're right about that Harold was a handful himself. Mason, I only met you once. It was around early 70's, was at friends (Thomas Maxwell, Eagleville) and visited your barn, good to know you are still kicking. Wish you were still training I had a lot of respect for you. Yall were talking earlier about Charlie Bobo, he was a great guy, a fine man. Was a close friend of my father-in-law (not in horse business) so their friendship was special to all of us. Have a very merry!
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Mason

Everything thats posted brings on another memory...The VA hospital in M'boro had a Show around the first of May back in THE day...Wink was going to carry the flag on Ace.WAS after he had won the Celebration. There was an overhead wire going to the sound system in the center of the ring...Wink was going around the ring and the eagle wings on top of the flag hooked that wire....Ace started bucking , when it was all over Wink was almost thrown..he was hanging around Aces neck..with his sun glasses hanging off one ear...he dropped the flag. I remember it got REAL quiet...then one of the patients said real loud and slow "BURN THA FLAG!"....Wink did a great job riding that day..Bronco Billy couldnt have done a better job...I think about that now everytime I see someone carrying the flag at a show.It didnt take much to tick ole Ace off

Mason
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Unknown

I remember Ace's Sensation very well. The first time I saw him was at Wink's barn in Ooltewah and as I approached his stall, he came at me with teeth barred and I must have jumped to the other side of the barn. Scared the crap out of me. Does anyone know where Ace's Sensation was laid to rest?
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scooter

A lot of horses will come at you in their stall, teeth bared, most of them are bluffing. That was not Ace's style, he was really meaning business. I can't believe I never heard the story about Ace the bronco at M'boro. That is one of those things that is funny now but you can bet your bottom dollar it wasn't funny to Wink while it was happening. Just goes to show.....you get on a horse, no telling what will happen.
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scooter

Mr. Rollins owned a beautiful farm north east of Atlanta called Sugarloaf Farms. If I had to guess, that is where Ace is buried but I am just guessing. I don't know if there is a connection or not but now there is a Sugarloaf Parkway in that general area. Maybe?
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(Unknown)

I never had an Ace colt, but from what I heard, he passed along his disposition to a lot of his foals.
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(Unknown)

Actually Ace's Sensation was not buried at Sugarloaf Farms. He is buried at Tommy Howell Stables in Athens, TN. Tommy kept Ace for Randall Rollins the last years of his life. He was not quite as mean as he was when he was young, but you sure had to watch him closely)

By the way, Sugarloaf Farms was an absolutely beautiful place. It was magnificient driving down that fence line with all the trees. I have heard it is no more. Someone told me what was in that area now but it has slipped my mind.
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scooter

Thanks,
I wonder why someone doesn't put together a list of the places that the past WGCs are buried?
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howarddavidl

Wink's barn was in Etowah, Tennessee - not Ooltewah. And Sugarloaf Farms is now a high end residential area with a top quality golf course - Sugarloaf - that hosts a PGA tour event.

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howarddavidl

Does anyone know who Wink partnered with at his barn in Etowah for several years?
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(Unknown)

I know Ronnie Spears worked there for a while, don't think it was several years.
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(Unknown)

This recent talk about Ace made me dig out my 1970 Voice Parade Of Champions Edition.In the 15.2 stallion class, won by Little Texas, there were 74 entries.In the juvinile 12-14 class there were 65 entries.The two year old stud class had to be split, class A had 63 entries. Juvinile riders 15-17 had 69 entries,(Hill's Perfection and Kim won).Both the aged mare and aged gelding class had 47 entries. The aged stallion class had 67. The two year old championship had 32. You had to have a good one to get in any work out.Oh yeah, and you had to be able to stay for a workout or two.
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twhlady

Well I remember Sugarloaf Farms......the site of an absolutely beautiful stables. The barn was state-of-the-art. At that time the area was considered the country outside Atlanta. Now the rolling hillsides are filled with high-end subdivisions and golf courses........(progress maybe?)

I visited there with Randall and Peg and all the kids. One thing that totally impressed me about the Rollins was their total togetherness as a family.
I remember some of the kids riding the hot walker as a merry-go-round.........the smaller ones.......and having a picnic at the farm.......and all the laughter and fun..........

And then there was the terible tragedy......and then one day they were no longer actively involved with the industry.

Sarah Lynn
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J441

Gotta say, Everett, I always thought you were one of the best. I remember Pap & Doug Wolaver and my dad watching you warm one up at a sale (I believe Murray Farm). All of them commented that you had some of the best hands in the business.
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scooter

twlady,

Tell us about the tragedy. You all are reminding me of things I haven't thought of in years. This is both happy and sad. But that is the point of nostalgia isn't it.

You are right about the facility at Sugarloaf. It wasn't equaled in Georgia until Kenny Rogers built his infamous barn at Athens. Now that was a sight to behold, white carpet and marble in the foyer and that was just the beginning. I was fortunate enough to visit there in its prime.
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everready

J441,

Thanks, I loved the horse business and still do, still have lots of my friends training horse's today.no one loves to see a deep walking, high stepping , headshaking horse better than i do,that still puts cold chill bumps on me just thinking about it. I wish some of these younger trainers would sit up straight in the saddle, looks like they ( the rider) are in serious pain.

Everett
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BUBBADOG

Larry Webb & Johnny Cabe were both with Wink in Etowah.
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BUBBADOG

The Rollins family tragedy - Rita was on the phone with Faye White's daughter on a stormy night when lightening hit the phone lines and and she was electrocuted. Losing Rita made a real dent in our little show circuit clan. I don't think that the family ever completely recovered.

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scooter

What ever became of Betty Sain? We went through Bell Buckle not too long ago and found no trace of her or her family. She was a sweet, generous, gracious lady that did not deserve the treatment she received after defeating the "boys". Did any of you guys ever have a Shocker foal, was he a good sire?
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Saddle Tramp

Betty Sain is living in Manchester TN and is out of the horse business.
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(Unknown)

A question for the holiday season: What appropriately named horse stood at the Green and Hugh stables in Shelbyville in the late 60's?
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pushingrage

This is just a wild guess on my part since he passed away in 1969: Merry Go Boy?
Anxious to see what is the real answer.
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Saddle Tramp

Good guess but that's not the one I had in mind.
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Jimr

Saddle Tramp
I believe that it was The Drug Dealer, but could be wrong. Sun's Gunsmoke used to stand at Toby Green's, but I think that was in the late 50's and early 60's.
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everready

Merry Wilson?
White Christmas?
Just guessing
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Saddle Tramp

Neither of those were the one I had in mind. I'll give a hint in a few minutes if no one guesses.
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everready

Go Boy's Royal Heir
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Saddle Tramp

Not that one either. The one I have in mind was a lit-up roan.
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everready

I remember when buddy went to tobys, he was working for steve hill before, for the life of me i cant remember the roan horse, when i hear his name then i will remember the horse.
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(Unknown)

Sun's Xmas Tree?
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Saddle Tramp

You got it - that horse was lit-up like a Christmas tree.
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everready

Well i learned something, i didn't remember him.
Thanks
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Saddle Tramp

What sire of a WGC was standing there at the same time as Sun's Christmas Tree?
Sun's Christmas Tree was from the state of Washington.
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(Unknown)

Another name appropriate for this time of year, Sun's Quarterback.
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fatpup56

Delight's Cold Ice was another good one.
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J441

Everready, we just visited with my dad (R.B. Hickey)today. He asked me to tell you hello for him.
Dad also asked me to tell all his old friends on this site that he wishes them all a Merry Christmas and the best in the coming year. He misses you all.
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everready

J441
tell r.b. i said hello remember him well, and you and your dad have a merry christmas and a healthy new year.
Everett
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jwalker

Hello Everett, just wondering if you trained a horse called Cobra Delight at one time? I think I got the name right and also you had a Carbon Copy colt at one time that looked like a good one, can't remember the name right off.
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jwalker
I did train Cobra Delight, won 2yr old stud class at the fun show, back then he was a nice colt.I had several good colts down thru the yrs, i cant remember the carbon copy colt. Do you remember Ebonys Hostess,Miss Eb., Another Hostess SHE WAS A FULL SISTER TO EBONYS HOSTESS and Ebonys Sally Ann, i won the furuity filly class with her.A horse fell with me back in 95 and messed up some disc's in my lower back, had to quit riding,I really miss the horse business especially breaking and training 2 yr olds.
Everett
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JS2

Scooter
Interestingly enough, there is a front page article on Walking Horse industry in the Chattanooga Times FreePress today. Inside, there is a story called "Champion keeps distance from walking horse world" about Betty Sain. Funny you should post this question today! You can find it at http://www.walkerswest.com/Champs/ShakerShocker.htm

Whoops! Just checked the site and it is the Shaker's Shocker webpage. To access the article you have to go to the Chattanooga Times FreePress website. If you are not a subscriber, there is a $1.00 daily access fee.
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everready

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A HEALTHY and HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE
Everett Majors
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scooter

Hope Santa was wonderful to everyone, have the most merry Christmas ever.
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twhlady

Folks, I really need your help. I know that lots of you have countless volumes of information and I ask that you do some research for me......

What horses, and ridden by which person, and owned by whom.......competed in the Championship Stake Class at the Celebration in 1966, the year that Betty won? If you do not know the entries, at least the ones that were tied will be sufficient.

I knew Betty well, and have lost contact with her in the last 20 years. She virtually dropped out of sight.

Cissy, Priscilla, Tony, Richard......and those whom I cannot identify by name probably have the info.....I do not keep all those old programs and magazines...

Thank you so much for your assistance.

Sarah Lynn

my email bledsoesl@aol.com
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BUBBADOG

Sarah Lynn - I think that Sensational Shadow was in the class that night - but I'm not sure - and maybe Ace's Sensation - I might drag out some programs and check. Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas - hey Tony - thanks for my gift - you are the sweetest ex brother in law in the world.

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everready

Sara
I think Go Boys Chatterbox was reserve that year, just guessing.
Everett
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Jimr

twhlady, I believe that this is the way reserve through 10th were tied, and some of the riders as I remember them. I could be wrong on some of the riders.
2nd Go Boy's Chatterbox, Bud Seaton, 3rd Go Boy's Sundust, Bud Dunn, 4th Duke's Handyman, Herchel Tally, 5th Johnny Midnight, Sam Paschal, 6th Magic Knight, Boyd Hudgins, 7th Merry Boy's Secret, maybe Dudley Sledge, but not sure at all, 8th Cotton Queen's Go Boy, Doug Wolaver, 9th April Love, Albert Lee Rowland, 10th Jet's Fair Play, do not remember...hope this helps some. Jim
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graymare

This is the most delightful topic ever!! I had forgotten many of the names and horses that you guys are discussing here, but your postings have brought back such wonderful memories. I was there the night Betty won and was screaming as loudly as everyone else. I was so scared for her before the class ended because in trying to run her horse off its feet, some of the men sacrificed their horse's chances by trying to cut her off,especially in the turns. This only served to make the crowd even more frantic. And, to Shocker's credit, he just kept doing his thing. I believe that horse would have done anything Betty asked him to do! Now, if you want to talk about a dangerous crowd....if you were there that night, think about what would have happened if Betty had not won. Was he the best horse? Debatable. Would he have produced great colts? We will never know because, as stated before, she was pretty much shunned after she won. The best mares never got to him. She loved that horse more than anything. I would love to see her get her just rewards, but it seems it all went sour quickly. I had hoped she would be at the Celebration this year for Ladies' Night, and was sorry she was not. Keep going with your postings. I am enjoying this immensely. Jimr, it was good to see you this summer. I am impressed with your recall. David, you once had a colt of mine. It was a Merry Boy's Cadillac colt that Sylvester had started. Daddy sold it so I have no idea whatever happened to him.
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fatpup56

I too would like to know more about where past WGC are buried. Setting Sun was buried in Newport, Tennessee. This was on the M. M. Bullard estate. Maybe David will consider this topic as a possible placement in the Report. This would be of interest to many fans.
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fatpup56

In 1968, Magic Knight and Vic were in the gelding class with B. H. McChesney calling the class. BH worked them so hard as to make the horses break. Magic dropped his head but never quit. Vic and the other trainers held a 'big' meeting the next day about his working them so long. The trainers were told by Mr. McChesney that he was there to pick the best and that was one of his ways of doing it!!!! He almost killed them for the remainder of the show.
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Jimr

moonglow66, You are correct about world champion gelding Magic Knight being ridden by Vic Thompson. I was confusing him with Man of Rhythm, that Boyd Hudgins won the Junior stake with that same year. Thanks
Jim
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twhlady

Thanks folks.........I knew I could count on you...I was trying to remember what and who was Betty's competition. I can see they all were present and accounted for.........and thinking about all the excitement literally makes me hear the crowd..... But I cannot remember who started the race. Betty went so fast that actually knowing what her horse was doing was nigh to impossible.......

As I remember, Betty had everyone with her as she rode. And especially all the folks in the west grandstand and high above the boxes on the south end...........Remember all the noise??? Like thunder. I remember people saying the crowd marked the card.....

I knew and really liked Betty. But there is another part of the story that is seldom told.....How many of you know what was offered to Betty following her win - an offer that would have secured her and Shaker - as well as giving our industry a great boost? Any of you know? Any of you remember?

It might require David Howard to answer this question.........if he will.....

Sarah Lynn
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makethecut

Ace's Sensation was only a two year old that year, because he won the 4 y.o. stake in '68 and then showed back in the Big stake the next night.
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everready

Sara
i grew up living across the street from betty sain,were friends since we were kids,my dad run a dairy farm for sam and john meek,across the street from bettys mom,this was after we moved from beechgrove where david mason and i went to school together ,the best i can remember betty was offered 250,000.00 for shocker that was a lot of money in 1966.betty could never part with him, if you ever see betty ,ask her what i told her to do about selling shocker.i have not seen her in 25 yrs.she lived here in fl. some where but never got to see her.
Everett
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RCC1950

I was also at the Celebration when Betty Sain won with Shacker's Shocker. It was my first Celebration (so far I haven't missed one since). I was as excited as everyone else for her to win.
My experiences with Ms Sain were not as pleasant as I've been reading here. We went to her farm to see her horse and she was rude and would not let us get near him. This was a couple of years after she had won and then kept trying the same trick. Perhaps she was just bitter with everyone but friendly and nice were not the words that came to our minds after going to her place.
I think her horse would have made a great breeding horse but she turned many away by her actions. I was one of them.

Bob C
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WidowMaker

Bob,

If you will remember, Ms. Sain was VERY protective of her dear friend Shaker. From what I remember, she handled him exclusively and I would expect - he probably responded to her exclusively in kind. She had done what most, if asked, would have expressed as utterly impossible - only to be shunned by the "Good ol Boys" of the day because they thought it was just a fluke and insisted that all she needed was a good trainer. Frankly - if in her shoes, I probably wouldn't have been terribly welcoming either...
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lola

Betty Sain was offered the job of being the spokesperson for a brand of Bourbon-not sure of the name of it. She would have made appearances across the country with her horse.Most people could not understand why she turned the job op down, as it was not because she felt that liquor was morally wrong.Many people came to her aid financially, but because she believed in doing things her way, she was not able to repay their generosity, although I am sure that she wished she had been able to do so.The last people that loaned her money really tried to help her,but because of their age were unable to wait any longer for payment and were finally forced to foreclose.She believed in only certain bloodlines-she could have made a decent living raising colts had she incorporated some different bloodlines.I enjoyed visiting her occasionally. Sorry that her life turned out unhappily.
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scooter

It's true. Betty loved Shocker like a child. When he was young he fell ill and she slept in the stall with him for days. She was totally devoted to that big black stallion. Wasn't he the tallest horse to ever become WGC? We visited her farm several times after her victory and were never treated anyway but wonderfully. She was always respectful and a true southern lady with her hospitality. After she had built her new barn things were never the same. I'm sure that the way she was treated could have caused her to treat some of the "establishment" with some manner of disregard. All these things are a sad chapter in the history of the TWH. Someone said was he the best horse in the class that night? It would surprise me if he wasn't. He was probably the only one in the ring that wasn't sore and never had been. Betty didn't believe in any kind of soreing and if the industry had listened to her and those who agreed with her we wouldn't be in the mess with the government that we are now.
Why don't we give her the respect she should have and run the offenders out of the industry for good. If someone sores a horse they should be barred from the showring for good. That is the only way we are going to win this battle. Zero Tolerence! ____________________________________________________________________________________________

jim19

I did not see the celebration that night, I was born a short time later but both my mother and father talk of that night with great passion. My mother stands that Shaker was the best horse in the class and that Betty Sain outrode all the other riders in the ring and that try as they could they could not outdo that big black stud. However, my father who is a walking horse traditionalist stated the statement that many horse people have said and that was that Shaker did not do the gear the way they were supposed to. I do not know and truthfully do not care; i just love to hear those stories of the night the little lady shocked the world on that big black stallion.
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jim19

I have almost given up on my quest to find celebration footage but since I have watched and joined in this topic I thought maybe someone on here could help me. I am looking for any film of the celebration pony classes from 1978-1986. I would truly love to see some footage as my brother and myself showed our pony during that time.
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aztlanfarms

I have enjoyed reading this thread, I love this breed. I wanted to point those of you who may be interested to the new pages at http://www.walkerswest.com/ called Ancestors, Mary Ellen Areaux has done the breed fancy a great favor in catelogueing pictures of horses from the earliest ingravings of horses from the 1700's up to the present. Its a great, great resource and a real thrill to see the great qualities of the breed carried forward since the earliest foundation horses. I invite you to check it out, and if you are so inclined contact Mary Ellen to share some of your treasured pictures of great walking horses from bygone days...I'm sure there is a wealth of nostalgic pictures in the possession of those frequenting this list...and I am sure that Mary Ellen would love to receive and return your fotos after scanning them in to her great website.
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Saddle Tramp

Prior to the 66 Celebration about all Betty Sain had done in the horse show world was to show Merry Boys Traveler, an old white tempermental gelding in amatuer classes. He was trained for her by Sam Paschal. She might have shown Shocker a few times but not very much. As you well know, he was padded up with layers of leather & a plastic wedge just like all of the other horses that Dan Arnold shod. This tends to stretch tendons & cause soreness. I'm sure that she also worked him with chains & pictures will show that she showed him with the leather boots that flop around & beat against a horses ankles & tend to sore. She might not have used oil of mustard to really put him down deep but he was not 100% natural either.
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Saddle Tramp

Continuation
I had never gone to the celebration until 1967, only to one nighters. 40 yrs ago this week, after Betty had won the big stake, two friends & I borrowed a 1949 Ford pickup truck & set out to see the much talked about Shakers Shocker. None of the 3 of us had drivers license, but we took off for Bell Buckle Tn. only about 20 mi away. Betty was very nice to us & showed us the champion Shocker, Merry Boys Traveler & Black Dust MR by old Merry Boy. Shocker's looks were very impressive & you can see that this left a lasting impression on me. Later we went to Joe & Judy Martin's barn at the old Patent Leather farm in Wartrace. They were very friendly to us. Then we went to Green & Hugh stables & saw Suns Quarter Back, Triple Threat's sire. I don't remember anything else but the old truck had alot of play in the steering.
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Saddle Tramp

When the 1967 Celebration came along I was determined to go. Betty was to be back & Shocker was to be better. We parked at first Christian Church & walked from there. There was literally standing room only. When Shocker came in I was very disapointed. He barely bent his knees in the flat walk & Betty had a Robotic motion in the way that she cantered him. Now he did come up in the running walk & showed some speed, but I'm not sure that he wasn't racking. I thought that Elmore Brock on Mr Glo was the best horse but the judges picked Doug Wolover on Go Boys Sundust. Betty placed about eighth & the next year didn't place. After the 65 celebration, the current champ Triple Threat was auctioned off for $44,000 so I would find it hard to believe that Betty was offered much more than that for him. It's obvious to me that her winning was a freak thing & that she couldn't see that & that's a shame.
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C. Biscuit

Saddle Tramp. That is the most accurate description of 1967 I have ever heard. Mr. Glo was something else.
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C. Biscuit

I visited the Walkers West site, you can read forever, it is great. Is there anyone on this site who got to watch Midnight Mack K work? Can you describe his way of going.
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grits

Santa brought me the Celebration highlight videos from 1985 to 2005 it is really awsome to see the changes over the years. In 1989 and 1990 there was a lady (Vickie Self) showing in the wgc class how many times has a woman shown in this class and has any female won...
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Saddle Tramp

Betty Sain, Judy Martin and Vickie Self have won the WGC.
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makethecut

I would like to know where Santa found that Celebration highlight video form 1985 -1995?
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grits

Makethecut go to wda international website they have the video's from 1985 to 2006. You can buy the championship highlights or different classes. you can buy the complete set like santa did (I was very good this year) or you can get them one year at a time. I just finished watching 1991 it was totally cool. I did not know women ever showed in the wgc class. Then I find out that there have been 3 you go girl's...

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BUBBADOG

Tony - you fixing to order me my valentine? I LOVE you!
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twhlady

I remember meeting Sara Cannon aka Minnie Pearl at Steve Hill's barn in Beechgrove (Coffee Co) many years ago. I think she owned Double Delight OO. Also there were some pictures of Jim Reeves and TWH's....I do think he might have owned some, or at least must have been fascinated with them. David Mason will probably remember some of the country singers who were friends of Steve's.

When bob Jennings was affiliated with Celebration, Inc., there was a tremendous amount of association with our horse and many of the country music stars. Lots of them performed and also rode in various classes.

Cissy: Email me please.........bledsoesl@aol.com

Sarah Lynn
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Saddle Tramp

I remember when Prides Secret Threat was four and Billy Gray was making a pass to the lineup & Bobby Fann challenged him with Ebs Black Diamond. They went stride for stride from the north end to the south end. It really got the crowd fired up. Someone took a picture & the Andersons (Diamond's owners) had it put in the next Report with the caption "You make the decision".

I also remember when Billy won the stake with P.S. Threat, the tall skinny Groom carrying out the trophy, strutting stride for stride with the big bay horse. Now this really fired up the crowd. Does anyone know who the groom was? because I don't.
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graymare

Was it Robert Peacock?
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Mason

I remember that happening ....but it WAS NOT Peacock.The kid was young and had worked for Gray a good bit. Robert Peacock never worked for Billy Gray. Peacock NEVER would have done that...not that there was anything wrong with the kid doing the strutt...but Peacock would have not wanted to bring that much attention to himself!

Mason
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twhlady

Back a few pages on this thread we were speaking about all the wonderful folks in the Chattanooga vicinity who were so actively involved with promoting the TWH for so many years. Many of them are still around. I have re-estalished an old friendship with Al Miller's daughter, Fay, through this web site........

The Al Miller family was significantly involved with the promotion of many horse shows.......and for many years..........with many of them being held at the Oolteway show grounds.

Another family we neglected to name is the Nipper family.......who for generations have been significantly involved with our horse from many aspects and who continues to maintain a training facility for our great breed.......The Nipper family includes our famous equine artist whose paintings adorn so many walls across this land......

Up the road apice to the north of Chattanooga is the homestead of the famed Howell family, another noted clan of great horsemen for many generations.......and who continue to carry on the great TWH traditions.

During this turbulent and uncertain year involving our great TWH, it has been very heartwarming to recognize and chat with so many wonderful people.......those who continue their TWH involvements........and those from the past...... David Mason has been a mainstay on these forums...with his great experiences and knowledge and that he shares with us.

Everett Majors ......though no longer in TN, still evidences his great attachment with the TWH and all of the horse community.......

And so many of the great competitors from the past give us heartwarming memories of days that have gone. This has been a way for us to recount happier times and gives us hope that in the near future we might all realize the "family togetherness" of our great horse family once again.........

May all of you have peace in this coming year. And may our great breed once again claim the notariety and significance that is it's rightful heritage.

My friends, I wish you all the best....

Sarah Lynn
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Saddle Tramp

I have wondered if the groom could have been Willie Moore. I just can't remember.
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Saddle Tramp

I remember about 1966 at R.B. Hickey's Thursday night sale in Chattanooga, a 12 yr old kid named Jackie asked J.B. Turner if he could help him with his horses for some money. J.B. asked him why. He said that he wanted to go to "JAMES BROWN'S" upcoming concert in Chattanooga. I also remember Hoop, Grady & Redbone. Some of the traders were Doug Reed, Johny Lanham, Tommy Gravitt, Steve Cole, Ernest Haskew, Sheriff at Jasper, & a Eubanks guy. Floyd "Shorty" Womack was an Auctioneer. I wonder if the barn is still standing & if the "Ole South" barbeque place is still close by? I slept one night on a bus seat by the pot bellied stove in the office. The barn was ancient way back then & constructed of huge oak timbers. The office was the first door on the left as you entered the barn & the auctioneer's stand was also on the left. Maybe Richard Hickey could enlighten me on some of this. Johnny Jenkins & Allen Knauf owned the Fri. sale at Apison.
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graymare

David, well now you have got me stressing. If Robert didn't work for Billy and the Johnsons when they owned Sand Creek, who DID he work for? Whew! A lot of water has gone under the bridge since those days!! Memory isn't what it used to be. I do agree that he would never have called attention to himself though. If I remember correctly, Robert was quite a horseman as was Frank Witherspoon.
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Mason

Peacock worked at the FARM when Johnson owned it...David Welsh was the farm manager...Wayne Hackney was working colts.This was when the farm was owned by Dr Johnson...before Billy Gray and his group bought it..Billy was in Lewisburg then I THINK.Anyway Robt worked with me about seven yrs after he worked at Johnsons. He was a FINE man,a good horseman ....very dependable, and honest. All my folks loved him.He was also my good friend, I miss him.

Mason
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JS2

Saddle Tramp

There is still a Friday night sale in Apison.

There is an Old South Restaurant on Chickamauga Ave. in Rossville, but I don't know about the BBQ place.
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Saddle Tramp

JS2,

Thanks for the info. I haven't been down there in several years and didn't know if the sale was still going or not.
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WHF2004

After reading and enjoying this forum, I thought this might be a good place to see if anyone has the Gorham China plates done by Billie Nipper that WHOA gave as trophies several years ago. I have all of them except the one of Mark of Carbon which is a collage painting like the one on the front of the Blue Ribbon in 1979. I would be very interested in purchasing this if anyone would like to sell it. I have talked to Tommy Hall at WHOA on the chance they may have had some extras through the years but they don't. I currently have the one with Sun's Delight, The Super Stock, Delight Bummin Around, Shades of Carbon and Strolling Jim. Thanks for reading my post.
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Saddle Tramp

Does anyone remember:

-Mr. Rufus Lamb trading knives off of a tv tray at the warmup ring
-Mr. Streeter with a wrist full of watches and a pocketful of knives who had a smile and kind word for everyone he met
-The shade tree at one end of the warmup ring
-Vic Thompson whistling real loud to get his amateur riders' attention so he could give them instructions
-Mr. Aaron Williams leading yearlings behind his big bald-faced gelding in the warmup ring
-People scalping tickets in the barn office area
-Roy Womble from WLIJ radio interviewing people down at the intersection by the warmup ring
-The road horse slipping on the dew about midnight and breaking his leg
-Before A and B classes came about, 120 2 year old stallions in the ring at one time and the class lasted two hours
-The little "arabian sheik" shoeshine boy with an unusual chant
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WHF2004

I found a couple of old ribbons at the Nashville Flea Market awhile back. One of them was a Celebration blue ribbon from 1964 for the Roadster to Bike class. I couldn't wait to get home to look up the winner. It just happened to be the late John Crawford's (Patent Leather Farms) ribbon. I can't recall the horse's name right now. I immediately called my good friend Sally Carver who was a long time friend of John's to tell her what I had found. Now that ribbon hangs in her house with the presentation picture from that night. I also found a first place championship stake ribbon from the 1968 2nd Annual Franklin County Jaycee Walking Horse Show. I have not been able to find out the winner and I am not sure if it is from Franklin Co TN or KY. If anyone could help research the winner of this ribbon I would really appreciate it.
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scooter

I remember a road horse slipping in the north turn on wet grass, seems like early 70's. The best I remember he was put down outside the arena that night. It broke my heart to see such a magnificent animal loose his life so easily. He was a beautiful animal.

That was while the ASB's were still showing at the Celebration. Some foks talk about the number of classes etc. but when you think of the time that has been taken up in extra classes that used to be ASB classes.......

A lot of people didn't like the Saddlebred classes but I didn't know many that didn't like the road classes. Who can resist a horse race?

Does anyone else miss the Saddlebreds?
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twhlady

Saddle Tramp and Scooter:

I remember all of those things...........the shoe shine stands, the blacksmith stations, knife traders...don't remember the man with the watches...

I guess what I really miss the most is the tree in the warm-up ring......I have one of Billie Nipper's paintings of the warm-up ring.........the painting now hangs in my daughter's home......but I can recall each of the people in the painting....and I really miss that old tree....

As for the Saddlebreds, I miss them greatly. Coming from a family who for many generations raised the American Saddlebred.........the love for that particular breed is deeply instilled within me.

But when I met the TWH for the first time back in the 1960's.....my early fascination soon evolved into an intense appreciation and love for this noble animal. And my involvement has lasted for well over 40 years.

I really think what drew me to this great breed was the gentle welcoming nature and quiet attitude our horses present........and the fact that it was obvious to me that they truly enjoyed the competition.

Back when David and I first became involved, many of those individuals known as the 'founding fathers of the breed' were still alive. It was my great privilege to know many of those men........all gone now.....who had the insight to develop our animal that is unique within the equine species.........

Second only to the horse itself were the people involved........undisputedly the friendliest people in the world......one big family comprising the most wonderful people in the world......and their bond, the greatest athlete in the equine world........the Tennessee Walking Horse.......

sl
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scooter

twlady
I remember the first time Dad took me to Mr. S. W. Beech's and to Harlinsdale. I met Merry Go Boy, Ebony Masterpiece and Midnight Sun all in the same day. Wow what an experience. I'll never forget it.

You talk about the old founders of the breed what is the opinion of all, were there any breeders any more influential in the development of the "show horse" than Beech and Harlin? Think about how many champions trace their lines straight back to those two farms.

I went to the Beech farm a couple of years ago. It brought me to tears. What happened, does anyone know? it is such an historic place maybe some generous person could buy the place and turn it into a restoration project. I understand the city of Franklin purchased Harlinsdale, I hope they do something worthy of its history.

I too came from Saddlebred folk. My great granddad brought some of the first ASB horses to Georgia from Kentucky via train back in the late 19th century. At family reunions many a walk-trot tale still entertains us all. Since you have had experience with both ASB and TWH you will probably agree with me that for FUNNY stories the ASB wins hands down. At least it does in our family.

Did you ever wonder why anyone would take a hyped up steed, post a big trot and ride with two hands full of reins on a Lane Fox saddle then roach the mane? (And they say Walking Horse people are crazy.)
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pushingrage

My grandmother lived and breathed American Saddle Bred (5-gaited) horses. I started riding when I was three years old and had to take me a bucket to get on my pony. There was absolutely no mention about the TW horse in our family....it was the ASB or nothing. They are beautiful horses with long graceful necks that are so high strung if you look cross-eyed at one of them they will run over you. My mom said when she was young there was a chestnut ASB we owned that hated her for some reason. My mom was in the field fooling with something and there was a well also there. The mare started chasing my mom and my mom got behind the well. The mare started chasing her around it and somehow the mare lunged over the well and went in head 1st but got stuck at the rear area. It took all kind of neighbors to get a sling type of device around her and pull her out with a big old work truck. She lived but was scarred up pretty bad. The ASB are beautiful but too hot blooded for me. I got into the TW horses by watching them at our little fair and fell in love with them when I was about 12 years old. I owned my first one that was not worth a plug nickel when I was about 24 and have never looked back since nor owned any other kind than the Tennessee walker. No matter what division a person wants to participate in, the TWH is the most versatile horse there is with a big heart but without the idiosyncrasy of other breeds in most cases.
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sable812

pushingrage I bet you could canter those ASB's too. I would be afraid to even ride them. I always had TWH. We are a laid back breed.
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pushingrage

Sable,

Actually I was not that good at cantering either breed at times. I had a tendency to get nervous which the horse picks up on and would always get in too big a hurry. Over the years, I had gotten better but nothing like some of these young juveniles and adults could do if there were more canter classes. Some of the juveniles and adults are better riders than the professionals. )
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jim19

I remember the horse being put down--what a sad time that was...I also remember the tree and the many people who would stand around that ring and whittle or talk or just watch...I also remember racking classes and saddle bred classes and things that brought people to our breed who didn't know just how great it was...I also loved that on any morning you could go out behind the stadium and watch people riding/ training horses that would show that week. Everyone stayed on the grounds or at least it seemed that way. We would get up early from the camper and go out and just spend the day at the barns watching and then eat beans and cornbread for lunch, or if we got a big treat might get to go swimming (anyone else remember where that pool was) right there near the grounds. Tears come to my eyes when I realize that the people who are around now probably don't even remember those great times
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sable812

we stayed at the Dixie Hotel downtown when we first came to the Celebration. We had not been married long and the price was right. The bathroom was down the hall but you could tell it was nice in its day.

I remember how everyone stayed on grounds too. Now they are too busy putting on makeup, getting their phones ready to use when they ride, and dressing up in a sexy number.

Times have changed.

I thought it was nice when all the horse were stabled at the grounds too. Much more exciting.
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(Unknown)

I miss all the things that were mentioned on here, but to me the saddest thing is that horses are not kept or worked on the grounds anymore.I remember one night after the show watching Jimmy Ellis ride Mr. Freewheel when he was a 4 y.o. I never saw him that good before or after, but that night he gave me cold chills.
Also, wasn't there a class for ladies riding roadster ponys for a while?
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twhlady

I think the name of the class was:
Ladies on Road Horses Under Saddle.

sl

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twhlady

Wasn't the pool down on the lower end of the barns... in the vicinity of the camping area? I think the brick building that is now a bathroom and shower facility functioned in that capacity for the pool.

Here it is January........and we have all the winter to experience...........but I am ready for the Celebration right now.........today. Can't wait for a horse show...........friends, fun, fellowship and great horses to ride and watch..........

I continue to have complete faith that the industry will prosper........

sl
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pushingrage

You know you have it pretty bad when you go to the Celebration on your honeymoon. ) That was a long while ago and things have definitely changed. I loved to stay after the classes were over, meet friends at different barns, talk, watch horses being rode late at night and early morning. It was fun watching all the people in the old ring ride or lead colts all week long with the possiblity of running upon another Pusher. The Celebration grounds are beautiful and Ron Thomas should be commended; however, with all the changes, we have lost the enjoyment of the 10 day Celebration. The interface with friends on the show grounds is not the same. When the Blue Ribbon Circle was built it was a truly fun place to go to stay for a while then head for your box seat. Now with TV's or internet, there is no need to even go to the stadium unless you are showing. It is really sad if you think about it....technology is good and evil at the same time.
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grits

pushingrage and everyone what do you think about the idea of having a picnic at the celebration that way you guys could share some of these great memories with those of us who are just starting to make our memories. It could be a pot luck with blankes on the ground and all are welcome.
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BUBBADOG

Some of the greatest performances I ever saw were in that warm up ring - LATE at night after the show. Eating doughnuts - drinking beer - watching incredible horses - now wasn't that the life?
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jim19

yeah that was where the pool was, we usually housed our horses at that end of the show barns. it was great fun to get together after the show and just hang out at the barns, especially around the winners, they had the best parties and then jump in the back of someone's truck as they drove back over to the camper, get up the next morning and eat some cold donuts and do it all again. we never dreamed of going anywhere but over to watch the horses work and hopefully catch a glimpse of one of the great trainers and their "stake" horse, i can remember so much just traveling 3 hours from home to places like wartrace and belfast just to see a big time stake horse. Life was simpler maybe better maybe not but the people who loved the celebration did if for the family, friends and the horses.
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aztlanfarms

Do any of you remember Wayne Robbins from Salem, Illinois who stood a Midnight Sun stud in the early 1960's? Any recollections about Mr. Robbins or his horse would be appreciated.
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Saddle Tramp

I think that John Crawfords farm was RUMSOM FARM on the hill about a mile out of Wartrace on the left.
Patent Leather is where Phillip Wilson, Sammy Day & where the big time plantation trainer with the big mustache is now (Doug Barnes).
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everready

Saddle Tramp
Thats correct on John Crawfords stables, and Ray Tenpennys stable was on the left in the curve coming out of Wartrace.

Everett
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graymare

We must all truly be of the same era. I, too, remember all those things and miss the atmosphere that existed in those days. Yes,the brick building in the campground was the bathhouse for the pool. It was the city pool for many years. I have the warm-up ring picture hanging in my den. It is a beacon for memories. Times have surely changed. Does anyone remember when Mighty Sun lay dead in that warm-up ring and was covered with a white blanket? I seem to remember he coliced. He was a beautiful horse. I also remember the ASB horses. My dad especially loved the roadster to bike classes and Pete Yokley and John Crawford. The girl riders on roadster horses was also a favorite. I would not have gotten on one of those things for love or money!! It has always been so amazing to be there on Saturday night with all the parties and everything so decorated and then to ride through about noon on Sunday and seeing the Ghost Town that the grounds quickly became. I have shed many a tear on that Sunday because in those days the Celebration pretty much signaled the end of the show season (except for the Jubilee and Montgomery) until the next year. It was hard to say good-bye to great friends and good times.
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Mason

Wiser was in that barn on the hill at one time.(John Crawfords)..I think Padgett owned the place .Winston lived in the house thats still there.I was there once when I was a kid with E.E.Miller to visit Winston...I THOUGHT I WAS IN HEAVEN.. can remember Go Boys Shadows stall to this day.I think its a buffalo farm now....Well anyway they've got several buffalo.Dont see any horses in the field.The barn is still kept up good

Mason
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Mason

I remember a hand painted sign leaning against the Shelbyville city limit sign one Sunday AFTER the Celebration was over
It said "WILL THE LAST ONE OUT OF TOWN PLEASE TURN OFF THE LIGHTS"
NOW thats funny I dont care WHO you are!

Mason
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Saddle Tramp

Graymare,

Was Mighty Sun an Elmore Brock horse?

Does anyone remember that there were two warmup rings?
One was where the Blue Ribbon Lounge is now. It was really a warmup ring for the show ring.
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Mason

Yes ...you are right about the MIGHTY SUN horse and the two warmup rings...When the CHICKEN men started coming to the Celebration they got rid of that preshow warmup ring.THATS when they put us in the PEN..WITH A GUARD ON THE GATE...HOW FUN...that was the beginning of the end as far as I'm concerned......from that day on I KNEW in my heart, it would never be the same.Took me many yrs to get the message to my brain.ONCE THEY ARE(USD of A)they will NEVER cease to be. They HAVE to show up NOW and find SOMETHING wrong to PROVE they are worthy of their existence.
Just my opinion

Mason
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pushingrage

This has probably been talked about since there are now 25 pages on this topic but does anyone remember the "enormous" black horse that was at the Celebration each year usually lead near the main barn office/shoe shine area. I always looked for the huge horse each year we came to the Celebration.

This was the BIGGEST TWH I have ever seen and am I wrong to think the man always had a white saddle/bridle on him....or am I wrong on the saddle/bridle color? Does anyone know the BIG horses name? Was he ever shown? Who owned him? Any idea how many hands he really was?

One thing about this horse, you could see him a mile away no matter how many people were crowded together milling around.
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kydeacon

That's really odd, I had completely forgotten about that huge horse till you mentioned it. There are so many wonderful memories of days gone by and the fear we will never see those good ole days again.
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C. Biscuit

Big horse was Sun's Unbelievable owned by Mr. Howland of Beech Grove. Don't remember a white saddle only white halter and leg wraps
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twhlady

WHF2004:

You inquired about the plates that Billie Nipper created. I emailed Bille a copy of your request and she has replied to me. Because it is not appropriate for me to post Billie's email address, I ask that you email me your information so I might forward to Billie.

Billie will respond to you.

My email address: bledsoesl@aol.com

I am certainly glad to assist and you can expect to hear from Billie.........

Sarah Lynn Bledsoe
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jim19

I just remembered that big black horse and oh so many other things like taking a shower in those bath houses, the cool nights walking back to the camper with a box of donuts (many memories involve food). I also remember so vividly standing outside the fenced in warm-up area watching to see some of the horses and trainers up close. I thought of those guys like celebrities. It is not the same now
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fatpup56

Those are good memories to ponder these days. Each has its rightful place for all of us. The silver Tennessee Walking Horse hood ornaments came to mind today. I would think you were some important person if you had an ornament, especially on your car! Anyone still got their ornament?
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Mason

I've got a collection of hood horses....I've got a standing Gold one,several chrome ones also have one of Winston Wiser and Merry Go Boy. Have some gaited ones a Hackney pony and a Standardbred.....I TRY and buy all I see ....I ck ebay often for them.Dont have one on my car or truck now though...Wouldnt that be cool! Id have the only one in WARTRACE

Mason
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sable812

Mason you are a trip. I wish we could roll back the time to when you were training. We had a blast at your barn.

Terri
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jim19

now that hood ornament thing brings back a bad memory of when I was trying to play with the one on Daddy's hood and tore it off. Not too happy bought that
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Mason

Sable remember the George Jones thing? I came home from a week long show somewhere and Tommy Hall & Ronnie Vincent had put a BIG sign all the way across the top of my old barn...GEORGE JONES FER GUV'NER HEADQUARTERS..That was back when Jones didnt know where he was most of the time..We did have some good times didnt we?

Mason
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sable812

I didn't like George Jones until we moved our horse to you, then I actually bought tapes. It was probably 8 track, wasn't it.

I liked the possum talk the best.

We did. What are Bobby Jones and Ronnie Vincent doing now. I used to hear from Ronnie every now and then. It was a poem letter. You deserved those two.

I wish we all could relive the olden days. Gosh, I would be skinny and young.
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Saddle Tramp

We live in Manchester where Elwood Howland lived when he died.He lived about a mile from exit 114 on I24.His big black horses name was Suns Unbelievable H.He did deck him out in white tack for folks to galk at on stake afternoons.He was by Suns Rocket Go Boy who was out of Go Boys Rocket, Toby Greens show mare.Elwood came up under Steve Hill & Mack Tenpenny.
At exit 114 you can see a collectors item of rare quality. A giant walking horse with the mechanical front feet. Years ago there was one in Shelbyville.

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scooter

There used to be one of those giant mechanical walkers in front of a liquor store at 100 Oaks in Nashville. I remember once a friend of mine asking how much liquor you had to consume before that horse looked real.
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JS2

Graymare talking about when Montgomery used to be one of the few shows to look forward to after the Celebration and Sable's comment about being "young & skinny" reminded me of a favorite horse show food. Does anyone else remember that wonderful fudge they always had at Montgomery? They made in great big vats at the show. I swear I still have some of it on my thighs. We would bring pounds of it home & eat it until it was totally dry crumbs.
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graymare

Saddle Tramp, yes Mighty Sun was an Elmore Brock horse. Also, David, I was by your Rockvale place last Sunday and they are making a subdivision there called something along the lines of "Blue Ribbon Estates". I think every farm around Murfreesboro is turning into a subdivision these days. I had not thought about those hood ornaments in years. We never had one but my friend did and I thought I was "somebody" when I was riding in her car! I guess that is somewhat like the license plates today. My goodness, this topic surely has stirred up a ton of good memories!! Who remembers the decked out golf carts and open jeeps that roamed the grounds? I craved one of those pink jeeps with the striped, fringed tops. Never got that either. Oh, well.............
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Saddle Tramp

I live in Manchester & have attended the Celebration for 40 yrs & thought that I knew where all of the good eating places are, but it took someone from California to introduce me to 2 fine places to eat.Year before last he took me to Joe's, a buffet, where they have some of the best chicken & dressing that you can buy anywhere.This year he took me to Bralen's where they have fried cornbread, stewed taters & much more good soul food.Bralen's is like the Clearview in Murfreesboro.I won't call my friends name but he used to train Ebony's Go Boy's Dream & has something in common with Mason.
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graymare

Joe's is/was good food. It is closed now because Joe is having surgery of some type. The Times-Gazette said it would re-open perhaps in a larger place after he is recovered from the surgery.
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cadillac

MASON IT IS GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU.I WILL NEVER FORGET MY TRIP TO BATON ROUGE WITH YOUR BUNCH THE YR YOU TOOK MY HORSE FOR ME TO SHOW, EVERYTIME I SEE BOBBY JOE WE SPEAK OF THAT TRIP. IWAS WONDERING IF SABLE IS THE TERRI I MET ON THAT TRIP THAT WORKED FOR THE POSTAL SERVICE. THANKS AGAIN FOR A GREAT TIME YOU INTODUCED ME TO MANY PEOPLE ON THAT TRIP THAT I HAVE REMAINED FRIENDS WITH. HOPE YOU ARE DOING WELL!!

SINCERELY,
FRANKIE SHELTON BRADLEY
GLASGOW KY
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Mason

Hey GIRL...good to hear from you! Yes that is Terri..Ive not been around the WH for several yrs now ..but still miss a FEW of my old FRIENDS...We sold the farm.... they are making a subdivision out of it...IF they can pick up all the thrown horseshoes scattered about...SOMEBODYS bound to step on a NAIL and get tetanus!They've torn down all four of the old barns ...the house is still there. I am in Wartrace "WHERE TIME STANDS STILL" come see us

Mason
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Mason

Bobby married one of Pete Andersons daughters RITA(?)Lives in Manchester...I stopped by to see Winky Groover a while back and he told me he saw Bobby often.Ronnie married and lives in LEXINGTON KY(MY DREAM...LIVING IN LEXINGTON !!!)
He lives on the High dollar end..PARIS PIKE...NOW that goes to Paris KY not France...used to run a Motel ..but I heard they sold it...I havent seen him in several yrs...I always think of him when I'm in Lexington but never seem to get around to looking him up.I was close in Oct.. went to the Saddlebred sale at Tattersalls
George J. has stopped drinking settled down like the rest of us!Shows up for work nowdays.
I've got a possum..STONEWALL is his reg. name...I'll send you one if you NEED one. You really ought to consider getting into the PUREBRED possum business...you can lose about as much money as you can with horses...and so far NO gov intervention(?)
CAN you believe I am 64 yrs old?Should be no more than 40...but I HOPE I NEVER GROW UP! .... really have worked on that for yrs...LIFES TOO LONG to take most things too seriously
God Bless!
Stay tuned

Mason
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sable812

hey Frankie, Last year I just tossed the Madi Graw beads we got in Baton Rouge. I think that was the year a bunch of us got to ride Pusher. Do you remember that?
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BUBBADOG

Lord - I hadn't thought of Ronnie Vincent in a hundred years - that fool could make me wet my britches laughing - does anyone remember "Spoon's" parties on the down in the back barns? Those parties were an important part of my education.
Mason - since I have been involved in the veterinary world - I have had the chance to work with many rescue possums - take it from me - they do not THRIVE - and most of them are pretty hateful. Remember the horse my daddy had that he bought from Charlie Martin that he named Possum? He kept a possum in a cage outside his stall - that was one mean critter!
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Mason

You were/are dealing with low bred common low life Possums no doubt...Mine are reg. Highbred Show Stock.They are just like kittens. I would sell you a pair if you are interested in getting into showing.The BIGGEST problem with Possum farming is that they are bad to get out through woven wite fences.I also have loads of problems with people stealing mine at night...In the mornings when you drive down the roads around here in Wartrace you will see lots of them on the road dead...I assume its where they have broken their little necks jumping out of the back of pickups AFTER they have been stolen.Bless their little hearts... they try so hard to get back home.ITs a GREAT TAX WRITE OFF

Mason
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scooter

Mason,
I think I can help you with the possum thefts you are encountering. Years ago we were having the same problem when I was living near Possum Snout, Ga. (Tallapoosa, Ga. to the uninitiated). My uncle started breeding special watch possums. After about 35 generations we now have perfected our watch possums. They are jet black with a double striped white line down their backs. They have blue eyes and are the most adorable little critters you have ever seen.

So you may ask, "how do they protect the general possum population on your farm?" Well they have a secret weapon. Whenever a stranger approaches our purebred possum barn they simply lift their tails and spray a chemical agent that has so far been the greatest deterrent imaginable. Our purebred possum thefts are down by 87% to date. We still have a few renegade possums who escape on occasion, but they usually return within 24 hours. Most report that life in the wild is not nearly as comfy as here. We are glad they consider our place "home".

Care of watch possums:
We keep them up in the daytime. They wear tail set harnesses daily so they will always be on the ready for their next assignment.

If you are interested in purchasing (they are a little pricey, but think of the protection for your heard) you own crew of watch possums just let me know. We have ample stock, yearlings, studs and brood gals. Show stock of course is a little more than your pleasure possum, but the ribbons are well worth the extra expense.
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Mason

Very interesting....Go to my website I think its on the Females and what they are bred to PAGE. That thing was SO strange I didnt know what page to put it on...
www.masonpatterdales.00go.com THE 00 BEFORE GO ARE ZEROS NOT 00S'
I think we have found one of those ..ck it out and let me know....If thats what you've developed they are exactly like you said....PROTECTION PLUS no doubt...WONDER how that thing got to WARTRACE?

Mason
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scooter

Yup, thats one of them ok. He must have been a refugee or else we have now discovered who our "watch possum thief" is. Say, how do you like the hair on the watch possum's tail, that is one great improvement over the foundation stock, don't you agree?

Those are some fine looking dogs you got there. Sometime when we are in middle Tennessee I would love to come by and see them. Might even be in the market for a dog, never can tell.
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Mason

Scooter come by and ck us out....I agree the tail is more like the ones we used to try and keep on the Show Horses....We used to try and grow those long hairs close to the rump long and full.. we actually KEPT tail sets on the horses 24-7.Actually BRACED their tails...NEVER would have been caught dead using one of those continental kits they stick on em now.They look like they STARTED to hook em to the buggy then decided to put the saddle on...TACKY!
JUST ANOTHER OLE MANS OPINION
MASON
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scooter

I couldn't agree more about the tail thing. You know back when we were younger men we wouldn't have thought about having all those straps everywhere on our horses. I think maybe that came from back when they did start showing TWHs in harness. After these several years I am still not a fan of seeing that. I love a fine harness horse, I just don't think of a walking horse being one. Now before somebody jumps on me about the versatility of the TWH, I fully understand,I just don't particularly like them shown that way myself.
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scooter

Which deceased WGC lived the longest life?

Which one had the shortest life?
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(Unknown)

I would guess either Ebony or Black Angel for the longest and Secret Threat for the shortest.
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jim19

i get to laughing every time that we try to brace a tail now. My Dad will make all sorts of ugly comments and get so frustrated. I thought bracing a tail was a test to see if you could master it. Using the pins and tape instead of simply strapping it in. I also know that a true braced tail looks so much better than the other jobs.
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horsetrainer

I love this post i am a young guy only been in the business for a few years and i love learing the history of the twh keep it up
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doctor

Mason,
I never knew you personally, but I wish I had. Even though you were a good horse trainer, I believe you missed your calling in life. Maybe, you should have been a comedian. Your posts over the last few weeks have been just too good. First , with the turtle races and now with pruebred possums (that's opossums for city folks).

Although I did not know you personally, I did show against you and Superstock on at least one occasion. It was at the Kentucky Celebration, which in the early 70s was held, I believe,in the outdoor arena at the state fairgrounds in Louisville. I had a pretty good (at least for a young smalltime trainer in western Kentucky) four year old at the time and I believe Stock was four. The ring that night was knee deep in mud and soft as a sponge, but Stock made his usual great show, mud and all.

Incidentally, did you ever show a horse in the main ring in Freedom Hall. It is without a doubt the greatest place in the world to show. I distinctly remember riding up the incline into the arena. As soon as a horse felt the cool air conditoning they would start to snort and p*i*k their ears. My apology for the digression.

Keep up the great posts, I am being immensely entertained by them.
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Mason

God Bless you ..if you are in Wartrace and can get through the traffic stop by.I remember showing in all that mud in L'ville at the Fairgrounds...and YES THANK GOD I HAVE SHOWN in FREEDOM HALL..several times actually....I go to the KY State Fair to the Saddlebred championships each yr.I get cold chills when they play MY Ole KY Home and that 5 gaited stake starts down that ramp into THAT ring.Last yr they had lots of clips showing over center ring of past HORSEMEN and GREAT horses...The one they Had OF Tom Moore made me WEEP...I'd met him, his oldest son and the girls a few times..GREATEST HORSEMAN OF ALL TIMES IN MY OPINION.AINT NO ONE ELSE HAD A LIFE SIZE STATUE OF THEM IN FRONT OF FREEDOM HALL...A shame he died so young.
IF my health holds up I plan on trying to entertain you folks for yrs!BY the way wanta buy some REG possums..THEY go back to the GREAT STONEWALL JACKSON LINE..Confederate Grays all of em!Like I say you can lose as much money with them as you can with horses and NOT be bothered with the GOVERMENT CHICKEN MEN

Mason
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BUBBADOG

What is the going rate on stud fees for your possums? Seems like Georgia is way behind in the possum game.
Do ya'll breed them naturally or ship semen? I'm real interested in growing some hair on these possum tails down here.
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Saddle Tramp

All of this possum talk reminds me of the old farmer who wanted his teenage son to clear off a big growed-up lot to get rid of the rats on it. Well as you might guess, the boy wasn't interested in work so he told the old man that they could fence the lot & fill it with stray cats. The cats would eat the rats & then multipy. They could hire someone to kill the cats & skin them for a buck each & then sell the pelts for two bucks each. They could feed the cat carcasses back to the rats & thus have an endless production cycle with low overhead.

Well the old man was pretty fast to catch on, so he asked "You mean that we could feed the rats to the cats & the cats to the rats & we wouldn't have to buy any feed? All we would have to do is pay someone to skin the cats? Well, why don't we just throw some black snakes into the pen & let them cross breed with the cats. Then the hybrids would shed their own skins & we wouldn't be out any skinning fee's."
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Mason

Stud fees are 1500 with return privileges.PAYABLE BEFORE breeding. BOTH Natural & shipping...2000 extra charge for shipping.These suckers are too hard to catch to be trying to get semen to ship! Like I said you can lose about as much as you can with show horses.BUT NO Goverment men to fool with.YET!

Mason

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doctor

Mason,

I agree totally with you about Tom Moore. He was the best. I still get goosebumps when I remember him riding into the ring on Yorktown, with the horse's flowing yellow mane and tail and Tom posting the trot. Nobody could ride a trot like him. I also remember him riding Belissima with Tom's long legs almost reaching to the ground. He always waited until the last moment to enter the ring. The ring announcer would make the last call with everyone in the audience waiting and waiting, then in would come Tom. Then when he would win a WGC he would toss his hat into the crowd. That was too cool.

I wrote to the Walking Horse Report a year or so ago and stated that the two greatest showmen I ever saw were Tom Moore and Sam Paschal. I remember the night Sam rode Sun's Delight to the WGC. (or it may have been the stud class, the memory is not what it once was) When the class was called to reverse, Paschal turned Delight across the infield and continued down the other side without ever stopping to the roar of the crowd. He always looked great in the saddle. I am sure you were there also.

Hold those pruebred Confederate possums for the time being. I've got to first get rid of all those racing turtles everybody convinced me to buy. Just might be turtle soup for a while.

Keep up the great posts.
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cadillac

HI TERRI GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU, EMAIL ME AND LET ME KNOW WHERE YOU ARE NOW LAST TIME I KNEW YOU WERE IN NC,AND I STAYED AT YOUR HOUSE WHEN I JUDGED A SHOW OVER THERE. I SEE RONNIE AND BOBBIE JOE AND TOMMY OFTEN. YES WE DID GET TO RIDE THE PUSHER THAT YR IN BATON ROUGE WHAT A THRILL.

MASON NEXT TIME YOU ARE IN LEXINGTON GO BYE AND SEE RONNIEAND KATHY, MINNIE STILL LIVES THERE ALSO ALONG WITH SAM SORRELL ON BLUE RIBBON LANE THEY WILL BE GLAD TO SEE YA.
BOBBIE JOE HAS RAISED SOME REALLY NICE COLTS IN THE LAST FEW YRS. IT IS REALLY GOOD TO HEAR FROM OLD FRIENDS THAT WE HAVE KNOWN FOR ALONG TIME AND GET BACK IN CONTACT.
WHO COULD EVER FORGET SPOONS PARTIES AT THE CEL. I BELIEVE SOMEONE MENTIONED THOSE IN EARLIER POST. TERRI=== MY EMAIL IS BRADLEY4@SCRTC.COM
HOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU. DAVID GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU ALSO AND YOU ARE STILL AS ENTERTAINING AS EVER.
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BUBBADOG

Since I knew better than to invest in the racing turtles I saved my money - now I am able to invest in some high quality possum stock - Mason, can you send copies of some of your pedigrees that you think would be strong enough to compliment my trashy backwoods Georgia possums. I realize that this will be an outcross but I feel like I've got to start somewhere.
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Mason

I ALSO require a deposit BEFORE I send anything...YOU KNOW HOW PEOPLE ARE..I've had experiences in the past that cause me to do that. (Its ALL about the MONEY..HELP ME HELP YOU HELP ME!)

Mason
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everready

Mason

You knew it would happen sooner or later,as of Jan 1, I am THE OFFICIAL POSSUM CHECKER for the STATE OF TN. You might want to go up on the price of your possum's,we charge 1800 per head to check possoms, (male or female),i can only check 2 per day its a long drawn out process,and the possums dont like it either.
it is left up to you for getting your possums in a PLOCK in laymans term(herd)the possums has to be plocked together for 3 days before inspections can begin.Let me know how many you have so i can set the timing to do your PLOCK of possums.
Thanks for your business.
Everett Inspector of your plock
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BUBBADOG

Mason - Deposit? - before I see your pedigrees? - YOU KNOW HOW PEOPLE ARE! - How do I know that I want to invest anything in your bloodlines before I see your pedigrees? - I have utmost respect for your knowledge & expertise when it comes to quality possum stock, however I have been around the block a time or two myself & I personally would have no problem making my pedigree available to a potential responsible possum breeder. I look forward to hearing from you.
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Michael J

I, like Horsetrainer, have only been in the TWH world a few years now, but I really enjoy this forum. I love history/biographies, so all the stories are great. I like the idea someone had about a big picnic or have a story telling session at one of the shows. It would be neat if someone could tell a few of theses stories during the Celebration or other shows when dragging the track or any kind of breaks. Especially if they could plan it and put some videos/pics up on the big screen so those who don't know who is being talked about could be seen. Anyone ever thought of writing a book about all this? I have Womack's book, but this could be more of the fun side of the TWH history and the Celebration. I hope something can be done to revive the kind of spirit that existed in the past. Hate to know that I, & hopefully my girls in the future, missed out on such great times.
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doctor

Whoa-a-a Nellie, hold everything on this possum situation. The newly created American Association for the Protection of Rural Marsupials is getting a hint that things there in middle Tennessee regarding these cuddly creatures may not be "up to snuff." (excuse the metaphor) If showing of any kind is to take place (this includes exhibitions immediately after canceled classes) and interstate (an intrastate,for that matter)is a part of these shows, they will be subject to inspection. At the inspection, the possum in question must be able to :

1. climb at least six feet up a tree and then hang from a limb by its tail for five minutes.
2. show no signs of fear as six hounds bark at the base of a tree.
3. play possum(play dead for the uninitiated) for two minutes.
4. successfully dodge a vehicle moving at sixty-five miles per hour. (make that seventy in Tennessee)

#Anyone caught slaughtering these cuddly creatures for personal consumption will be subject to a fine. This rule includes road kill.
#Anyone trying to leave a show ground prior to inspection will be subject to public ridicule.

Don't make this public knowledge, but there are indications that the first unannounced inspections will take place in August just prior to the Marsupial Grand Championships in Wartrace. (The location will depend on available hotel rooms.) The intent of these inspections is not to stop the showing of this versatile animal that we all love, but to make sure that no abuse is taking place. Have a geat show season!

AAPRM
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scooter

I am so glad I live in town! Whew, I will not be subject to the "Rural Marsupial" folks. I tried your test and I'm afraid that several of my first rate registered purebred possums didn't make it in several of the tasks. I have a strong lobby that will hopefully keep all the inspections in the rural areas. If we can just keep the government out of our cities, things will be possum heaven for us.
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everready

Scooter
We have got to NIP THIS IN THE BUD NOW,ALL possums has to be checked, no matter where you live. check the thread above to mason.
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Mason

Bubbadog you have got to trust someone...It MIGHT as well be me>>SEND THE MONEY

Mason
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howarddavidl

We do a Ten Years Ago story monthly in the Walking Horse Report. Would you like to see a Twenty years Ago story?
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everready

Yes david that would be great.
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twhlady

FANTASTIC IDEA DAVID...........from the response to this thread, it would seem that not only us old folks would enjoy it.........those who are not so 'long of tooth' would also enjoy re-living events from years ago. You can assist our memories while revealing "TWH Tales of Long Ago"............

Sarah Lynn
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(Unknown)

David, if I should be so bold as to suggest..instead of the "just the facts" as in the current look back of 10 years....could you add the "stories" in the 20 years ago....get some personal input....what we have lacked lately is the "story" of the TWH and its people. The current issues have depersonalized the horse and those associated with it. We need the stories.
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gunslinger

I would like to see some stories on horses and people of the past and what they are doing now. I thought the story the Celebration did on Sweet Georgia Brown was wonderful!
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J441

Saddle Tramp, I apologize for taking so long to answer your post on 12/31. I have been traveling during the holidays.
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(Unknown)

You have stirred my curiosity! We are bound to know each other, but I’m not sure who you are at this point. We share many memories! Let me see if I can help with some of these…

Jackie Fallon is married and living somewhere in GA. Not sure if he still rides. Huck & Grady Palmer were brothers. Last I heard they were working horses in the PA area. Redbone suffered a double amputation of his legs from a land mine in Viet Nam. Photographer Robin Hood snapped a picture of Redbone waving our nation’s flag at an Armed Forces Day Parade in Chattanooga. The photo won a Pulitzer Prize for Robin.

J.B. Turner, Doug Reed (remember young Danny riding anything with four legs through the sale?), Sheriff Askew, and Tommy Gravitt have passed away. I have not heard from Bud Eubanks, Johnny Jenkins, Allen Knauff, or Shorty Womack in years.Johnny Lanham was trading restaurant equipment last I heard, and Mike Greg is now a preacher. I have not heard from Steve Cole in many years either.

The old big barn burned down around the late 70s and was replaced with an updated smaller version. I only saw cattle sales at the location after that. I, too, remember sleeping on the old bus seat by the stove. Those who came to the “special sales” remember the events lasting into the wee hours of the morning. I have seen 137 head of horses sell in a single night with Shorty and Red Harrison tag teaming the auction duties. The Old South is no longer there either, but I will always remember their barbequed spare ribs.

You can always write to me at ridatras@bellsouth.net. Thanks for stirring the fond memories!
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BUBBADOG

MASON - as much as I want to trust you - your urgency for THE MONEY raises a red flag - knowing that you are a respected breeder of high quality dogs - I feel impelled to pose to you this question - do you rescue? - you know the saying among breeders - IF YOU DON'T RESCUE - DON'T BREED! - you are familiar with that premise aren't you? The reason that I ask you this is simply that Northeast Ga is overwhelmed with low quality possums - these animals need to be spayed and neutered in order to improve the bloodlines in my neck of the woods - It just looks to me like - for the LOVE OF THE BREED - you would see it in your heart to help out a poor old woman - if you will rescue some of Georgia's possums in need & see that they are placed in safe and loving PET homes - then I reckon that I will SEND YOU THE MONEY!!!!! How much you want?
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BUBBADOG

David - how about a 30 or 40 year ago story? Twenty years seems mighty recent.
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Mason

I agree with Bubbadog..twenty yrs was just day before yesterday to me
Mason
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Mason

Bubbadog
As much as I trust YOU to HELP ME, HELP YOU, HELP ME>>I will NEED the MONEY upfront.And really now I'm not sure I want to send this Good Confederate Bloodline to cross with those Ga..LIVE UNDER the TRAILER PARK trashy possums anyway.I've spent LOTS of money to bring those old Confederate bloodlines back and I doubt those trashy Ga. possums would help MY PROGRAM one bit....COME ON >>>SEND MONEY!!OR we might as well call this whole thAng off!

Mason
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BUBBADOG

MASON - you still ain't told me HOW MUCH - and you really make me question your breeding practices - I certainly did not expect for you to send your fine STUD possum down here to the trashy old georgia hills -I was under the impression that I would have to bring the female to you - I'm not sure that my stantions are up to snuff - I will have to do some work on my breeding facility and that's going to slow things down for a week or so - looks like I'm going to be waiting on the next cycle - all this MONEY business just gets in the way - you know your possums AIN'T the only ones available (least I don't think so) c
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BUBBADOG

Yep - it was me - I mentioned Spoon's parties & also the ones at the VFW - does anyone remember the name of the mahogany bay stud that Spoon & Sam Caldwell showed?
As I read the posts on this message board I am astounded that people seem so amazed at all of the fun and camaraderie that once existed within the walking horse business - I kind of thought that FUN was what it was all about.
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Mason

1/2 BEFORE breeding & the other 1/2 due when you leave here with your female....I am getting $1500 Stud fee to Stonewall Jackson....$1200 for General Forrest....I can board here also.. $20 a day..ALL the SCRAPS they can eat,and a nice box piled high with oak leaves.Dont like to keep any running loose on the place ..ALL I have is woven wire fences and MINE even get out from time to time. IF I run out of room here Waterfall Farm is just down the road. I havent talked to them yet about keeping my OVERLOADS but I'm sure they would. I see some possums running in their fields at night in passing.I dont know what keeps them from getting out with all those plank fences being so high off the ground. I'd guess things are just so good there they dont want to go anywhere else(?)CANT BLAME THEM...I bet thats where some of mine are,come to think of it!

Mason
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everready

Bubbadog, Was it Delights Can Do? , but i thought he was black?

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BUBBADOG

Everett- I swear I remember him being a dark black bay. He was a flatwalking fool & didn't Spoon look grand on him in his purple suit?

Reckon who Mason thinks he is with all his high tone mucity muck CONFEDERATE POSSUMS? Who put him in charge of everything - You see where he expects me to send him money before I even see some pedigrees - I was fixin to break down and send him a check (he'll probably want a cashiers check) but then I got a phone call from someone in the know warning me about the questionable temperament that he is breeding - even though his possums might have style, looks, ability and nice hairy tails - if you can't handle them then I don't want them - I think that I may look further - do you know of anyone breeding a sweet temperamented possum? I hate to make Mason mad - but that's how the business is, ain't it? Got to be tough.
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Mason

Checks?Dont take NO checks,I'm retired LIVIN on FIXED income...$$$$ CASH only if you please!$$$$$
Mason
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BUBBADOG

MASON - don't take this personally, but I believe I'm going to take my business elsewhere!
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Mason

Well...eh? get back in touch.... I BELIEVE we might be able to work this out...Im afraid IF I TAKE ANY CHECKS THEY MIGHT FIND OUT AND CUT OFF MY CONFEDERATE WAR PENSION.What kinda ole guns have you got ..we may get up some kinda swap?OR have you got any of those NEW fandangled long shank bits that have all those ring holes down each shank...looks like something they drive draft horses with...Id like to have me a set of them thAngs..look like they'd make good boat anchors.

Mason
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everready

Bubbadog
He was a head shaking fool and spoon did look good on him, Frank was a good horse trainer and good person. Mason can not sell trade show or do anything with his possums until he contacts me for the inspection of his plock of possums.I am beginning to think that he has what we call in the possum business a plock of scanks which i know he knows that will not pass inspections,just be VERY careful of scank possums, if just one has it the whole plock has to be put down.
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Mason

Stay outta this Majors ..ALWAYS someone wantta get into a deal looking for 20 percent!

Mason
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BUBBADOG

You read that up there Mason? I NEVER would have thought that you would try to pull one over on a poor old woman - you ought to be ashamed of yourself! All I been trying to do was bring some quality to these poor old ugly country possums down here & now I find out that your whole plock is probably going to be euthanized - thank goodness Everette spoke out - I was fixin to send you my welfare checks - now - don't you feel just AWFUL?
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Mason
Did you not read your message, i think 1800 is a little more than 20%, i know i am from Bell Buckle but please give me more credit than that.I am not saying your possums are scanks, but its not looking good.
Bubbadog i will keep a watch on is plock of possums. Mason by the way i am coming to the trainers show in march, i will check your plock then,i have got to go do a meeting now, but i will check this thread in a couple of hours and see whats going on then.
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Mason

Bubbadog I have felt awful ever since I turned 64. YOU JUST DONT KNOW AWFUL, CHILD! But I learned LONG time ago in another TIME and PLACE you better get the $$ up front... CASH if at all possable.How many times have I taken a check to the bank from someone that was driving a BIG car ,wearing diamonds,and a GOLD Chain around their neck with a big gold piece hanging off it..... then to be told by the cashier at the bank SORRY theres not enough money here to cover this check!That makes you feel awful way before your time.....thank God every experience I've had has brought me to this place in my life..whatta ride!But aint it been fun? Gotta go... got a female possum (Dixie Chick) with little ones..I'm feeding on a bottle every three hours.Chick is a Granddaughter to the good ole female Rebel Maid. They are by some new kid on the block "Jeff Davis Major General"Hope they all make it.And dont get hit on the road. Eveready Majors if you do come to middle Tennessee in March..we'll have to get together and talk about this 20 percent comission thing...IF you can talk Bubba dog into BUYING all this CRAP I've been shooting her you deserve it...I've paid lots more than that to get an ole plug horse sold several times ....BACK in another time and place. MEETING what in this world would be MORE important than THIS? God Bless us ALL and the little Pigmeys in New Guinea!

Mason
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pushingrage

David,

Getting off just for a second the selling/breeding of oppossums, when did you quit training and why? I always thought you were a great trainer and then all of a sudden did not hear about you any more in the TW horse arena. Just curious.
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everready

Mason
I will email you when it gets closer to the trainers show and get your ph. no. and we will get together while i'm in Tn.

Everett
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Mason

I wont try and answer ALL your question but I'll answer in part...I probably stopped training around 90-92.... I saw what was coming long ago (BEFORE I GOT OUT) and really lost my zeal for the Walking Horse thing. Can not see any LIGHT in the Future with the egos and other things that go on in the breed..sorry there's ALWAYS been problems but NO answers for long at a time. One crisis after another yr in and yr out...WAS NOT MAKING ENOUGH money to deal with the problems. ...love lots of you folks and hope to remain in touch...Thats what I've enjoyed about this board.I have NO desire to go to WH shows anymore..that all has left me..I know thats hard to understand..IF someone had told me that in 1977 I would have thought they were crazy.

Mason
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twhlady

Folks........sometimes I laugh until my fat sides hurt....and then other times tears roll down my face. So many memories......and so many honestly and truly great and wonderful people. I thank God that I did not miss the TWH merry-go-round.

David Mason was respected then........and we all respect him now. And he certainly speaks the truth about many things.

Now Mason, I have some Carolina Aristocrat possums up here...guaranteed blue blood........will send you some females to cross our with yours.

Cissy, think I will send you a young up-and-coming male possum. You sound like your's really need some help.

I remember Spoon......everyone loved him. He could smoke half a pack of cigarettes while working one horse......ride, dog walk, ride, pick him up a little, stop and smoke.......and do it all over again. His horses never had any quit in them. I do think Can Do was a black horse owned by H.S. Musslewhite from Maitland FL (maybe)......

Everett, what is this 20% thing????? Who are you taking lessons from........

Sarah Lynn
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everready

Sara
Mason is a little mixed up, i dont work on comm. the FEDS. pay me to check all possums at a fee of $1800 per possum it a very luceritve bus.I was in training for this for 2 yrs to be able to spot scank possums ALL TN. POSSUMS MUST GO THRU ME.I took the job Jan .1ST Since david and i grew up together he knows that i know how to do my job,he knows that i know i want show any favortism toward his plock of possums.We look for scank possums, and if just one scank possum is found in a plock ,the whole plock has to be put down, thats why bubbadog was so up set with mason,now she thinks mason is raising and selling scank possums,only time will tell. Being good friends as we are i sure hope he has a scankless plock.are you going to the trainers show this year,we all should get together and have some coffee.
Everett
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RCC1950

Pushingrage, I think one of the reasons Mason stopped training is because he is too honest.
He took some horses for us years ago with the idea of selling them. One of the horses was a pony and getting old. This pony was very special to my partner and he said he could not stand to see him run through a sale so he gave the pony to Mason. Mason sold the horses quickly and they did not have to go to a sale. He also sold the old pony. Mason sent a check for the pony less the training bill and a commission with a letter explaining what he had done. How many trainers would have done that?

Bob C
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jim19

I know several others who have gotten out of the business due to the things they have seen go on. Most of them that I talk with though all say the same thing. We used to have so much fun and everybody enjoyed themselves. yeah, we were competitive but when it was over we still enjoyed what we were doing. I was away from the horses with the exception of the celebration (have never missed one since I was born) for 15 years but am now back. I have made it my goal to show some of my family and friends just how much fun it is and can be. I was talking with family saturday and laughing about camping vs staying in a nice motel. I will not go "gently into that good night but will rage against the dying of the light"
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Jimr

BUBBADOG, I'm not sure if this was the horse that you remember, but one real good bay horse that Spoon had was Go Boy's Revenue who was the sire of Reve's Little Boy. This was in the early to mid sixties, when Frank was still training in Nashville. We were still showing in boots then, and Revenue was never at his best in them. But at the barn in a light chain, he was absolutely great. Another good horse Frank had around this time was Go Boy's Flying Cloud, who Ronnie Spears trained and showed later. I shared a barn with Spoon in 1966 at the Tn. State Fairgrounds in Nashville. Frank and his very large crew usually arrived at the barn in 2 or 3 cars around noon every day. Frank would amble down to my end right away. He'd light a cigarette, pull up a chair and talk with me while his nephews, sons, brothers and cousins, fed, watered, cleaned stalls, and saddled horses for Frank to ride. Anytime I asked for his advice he was always helpful. I think he was a good man and trainer...he could sure get a lot out of a horse.

Jim
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Mason

Jim I remember several things SPOON told me.He was a great believer in TIME to make a HOSS.That doesnt happen anymore..OWNERS are in too big of a hurry to WAIT on a horse. I had LOTS of problems with that..I WAS a bit SLOW myself. I have had several horses that NEVER reached their potential because of impatient owners...somebody down the street would always talk em into moving them to them...then theyd get in the FAST lane and never be heard from.A number of them were MORE talented than some of the better ones I did get to keep. Spoonman told me once AFTER I had judged a pretty big show(speaking of Baby Colt classes) IF A MAN CAN JUDGE A BABY COLT AND TELL IF HES GONNA MAKE A GOOD HOSS>>>YOU OTTA BE ABLE TO LOOK AT A BABY AND TELL IF HE WOULD EVER BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES...he was SO RIGHT,think about that for a day or two then get back to me.When I was a kid I ask him what kind of bit did he start his colts with...He told me I START EM ALL WITH A LONG SHANK HIGH POAT BIT,CAUSE THATS WHAT THEY GONNA WEAR THE REST OF THEY LIFE. Wasnt he a trip..a good man,a good friend,and MAYBE one of the most overlooked trainers in the GAME...TIME MAIN(man) TIME THATS WHAT IT TAKES

Mason
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twhlady

David M:

I really thought Spoon bitted his horses very 'light' and most often he rode without the curb ......especially because he worked them so very long to obtain the maximum stamina????

Please tell me if this memory is incorrect...

Sarah Lynn
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Mason

Cant say about that...I dont remember. I do remember a horse I had once that he had trained that had a beautiful light mouth. I think of some words of wisdom Frank had every day or so..I'll try and share them with you IF THEY MAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH THE FOG! Afraid Bubba dog gave up on my Possum deal...I dont want to talk possums much today anyway..kinda sad.. I found my best brood possum Ole Burthie May Bobbie Lou dead on the road between here and Wartrace this AM...GUESS she was headin toward Waterfall and a Chicken truck got her...NO flowers or cards please....just send MONEY...that will make me feel better

Mason
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jim19

You hit the nail on the head when you said time. Many of the trainers don't want to spend the saddle time to make a horse or to give it the stamina it needs. I was recently at a barn and they had 3 horses that had just been worked. None had even sweat rings where the saddle had been. I am glad that I don't spend my money there. I also believe it takes time to develop a talented horse but it sure doesn't take time to ruin one. Like I have stated in several other posts, I grew up when I didn't think there was an option to our horse not making. If they didn't you would really never have a chance because you were gonna work it and show it anyway until the owner sold it or moved it somewhere else. Giving up or leaving it in the barn was not an option
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everready

Mason
SCANKS-SCANKS, I AM TELLING YOU YOUR PLOCK IS FULL OF SCANKS,thats what happens when possums have the scanks, they wonder out on the road and womble around and get runned over. Do you remember sleeping sickness we had in the horses,well its nothing like that thought i would just throw that in.You will have to spray your whole farm with SCANK FREE SPRAY,then and only then you will be ok.
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BUBBADOG

Mason I am so sorry bout your possum - I hope that you don't have to have your whole plock destroyed on account of the SKANK. & twh lady - I think that I might be out of the mood for possums right now - all this talk of Skanks and money reminds me of something from my past - just can't quite put my finger on what it might have been. One time Spoon was sitting on old Can under that tree -(my daddy used to love to go watch that horse work) -and Spoon tapped Can between his ears (with his cigarette in his hand) & said "the problem is - you got to teach them up here - before they learn it down there (pointing at feet) Truer words were never spoken!
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jwalker

Mason, what ever happened to the horse called Copyrite that Hob Potter owned at one time. I live up up in the hills of Kentucky not to far from Potters home. I always loved the shot of Super Stock and you. Heard once that it was the ulimate Walking Horse picture.
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Saddle Tramp

Was Sam Witherspoon a brother to Frank?

Hi Sara Lynn,

Claire Daugette wasn't the correct name of Burt's sister. It was Anne Daugette. Both Burt and Anne started showing horses under the direction of Peck Stone in Gadsden, AL. Burt showed the red roan mare, Go Boy's Dream and Anne showed Go Boy's Joy and a Sir Henry bred Walking Pony. THEN......they went big time to Tennessee.

Before that they had little ponies they rode and when the rest of us started showing, they had to have show horses as well, only with the Daugette's money they went a lot farther than the rest of us did.

That Rock-A-Bye Lady was something to see. I thought she was a lot better and more natural going horse than Burt's Moonglow Jr.

Hope Norma Lynn is doing good.

L Jones