Trivia Archive 1

Welcome! horsecrazynga,

I'm afraid the above posts were not made on this site, but made on the WHR site about 3 years ago. Many of us came from that thread to here. (long story) The thread was such a good one, that I felt it should be shared here (whether DH or anybody else likes it or not). Unfortunately, Sara has declined to join us here (another long story) so, she won't respond here, but your post is still most welcome, as are you.

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graymare

David, I wrote earlier that Spoon was a great trainer and had the reputation of putting the best of mouths on a young horse. I agree he never got his just accolades. His sons still do some training in the Eagleville area and at a couple of other barns for trainers. Spoon was quite a character and a gentleman. I remember my Dad taking me to the Musselwhite barn several times when Spoon was there. I am not sure if Sam was his brother or his cousin, but I am sure someone will know.

Also, I am afraid one of your traveling possums was visiting in the Murfreesboro area and somehow wound up dead in my yard. If you would be so kind as to retrieve the carcass, I would appreciate it. This one must be a female because she has a nice blonde color.
And, Everette, I saw no evidence of SKANK. It takes the classiest of possums to travel the roads of the 'Boro. I am afraid to know what your fee for "Carcass Removal" might be and I certainly hope I don't have to pay Everette's inspection fee since the thing is dead.
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Mason

Copyrite died at Hoberts of the colic...

Mason
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Mason

I'm ALMOST SURE Sam was Franks older brother.
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Saddle Tramp

Did Can Do ever show as an aged horse? I remember him being good as a two year old and can remember Mr. Musselwhite showing a grey horse, too.
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(Unknown)

Mr. Musslewhite showed him in amateur classes and I believe won a class at the Celebration with him.
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BUBBADOG

"Mr. Sam" was definitelly Frank's older brother - and if my memory serves me correctly which it sometimes does not, I believe that Sam Caldwell showed Can as an aged horse.
One of Franks grandson's LeShaun has made it very big in the music business - he is the lead singer for a band called "Sevin Dust" - I know that Frank would be very proud of him - he did love to be on stage with a microphone - singing, dancing and delivering his own sage brand of philosophy. He & Marsha were both very good to me and I will never forget the good times I spent with them.
MASON - although I am sorry that your fine possums keep getting sqwushed on the highway & stomped to death in Waterfall's pastures - don't you think that it is irresponsible for you to let your intact breeding stock wander all over middle tennessee - you ain't taking real good care of you pedigree are you?
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pushingrage

David Mason if you do not get those possums under control soon, I am afraid the new HUUS (Dane) may be getting a court order to conviscate them due to not providing adequate fencing. The Humane Society just does not tolerate possum smashing on highways. Of course now that Tennessee has the road kill law...there should not be any waste. )
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BUBBADOG

Mason - you mighty quiet - where you at?
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everready

Bubbadog
Mason is out gathering up his dead possums, that got ran over because they had S-opps i will never use the S-word again.
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BUBBADOG

Po ole thang - reckon we been too hard on him? I hate to think about the little feller out on the side of the road toting a sack of dead possums - it's right pitiful ain't it?
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Mason

I have been busy the last couple of days going to meetings with my lawyers "Do-we, Cheatem & How" going over this SHANK thing. They contacted PETA thats POSSUM ENTERING THE AREA...or PEOPLE EATING THE AMINALS whatever.They (PETA) said this thang called SHANK does NOT affect the SOUTHERN CONFEDERATE POSSUM. However Yankees did try to introduce SHANK to them during the WAR OF NORTHERN AGRESSION and were unsucessful...NOW it seems CARPET BAGGERS from ACROSS the MASON-Dixon line are trying to get this started again. According to research done by Dr. KILLEMQIUCK & Dr I.WILL SKINNYOU the gene is NOT in the SOUTHERN CONFEDERATE POSSUM. I am SO relieved and want to get on with my program.
Now as for EVEREADYs get rich OFF me scheme checkin my possums forget it ..its over, NOTHIN but Yankee possums have SHANK...

Now I think WHATEVER(?) hes smokin in that pipe of his, is messin up his mind...

Mason
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everready

Mason
I truly have made a bad mistake,I thought you were razin yankee possums, you are right southern possums have never been exposed to S-----S.I said i would never use the S word again, as for as what i smoke in my pipe and you know i do smoke a pipe , only Everready knows.
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Mason

Glad we got that straight about those Yankee Possums I wuz worried to death about that...Carpet baggers have have started moving back down this way again,(WARTRACE IS FULL OF THEM, THEY TALK SO FAST YOU HAVENT GOT A CLUE WHAT THEY TRYIN TO SAY) HOPE they dont start trouble like they did last time..WHY dont they jus stay up there where its nice and cold and mind their own business?My wife & I are worried that if they keep comin down here like they have in the last few yrs ALL the cemeteries are gonna be so full of THEM that there wont be any spots left for us CITIZENS!
Bring whatever you are smokin when you come I MAY want to analyze it(?)

Mason OF Possum Holler!
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everready

Amen on the smokes
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twhlady

MASON AND EVERREADY:

Are my Carolina Aristocrat possums considered to be "Yankee" possums? We definitely wore the Confederate Uniform during the War of Aggression, and my ancestral home was burned by Sherman during his march across Carolina country on his march to the sea in GA.........

God forbid that Everready should find any S%&*# in my herd of possums......and all I have for him to smoke is Carolina Tobacco........

And what about Bubbadog's herd of possums in North GA.... She and I are negotiating an upgrade for her gene pool.....

Thank you for your immediate attention to this matter.

Sarah Lynn
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twhlady

Mason,

You addressed the subject of PETA. I understand that some of our associates are closely aligned with affiliates of that group. Do we expect any problems from this?????

Perhaps Everready can enlighten us.

Sarah Lynn
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everready

Sara
I have come to this conclusion,anyone that has owned, rode, trained , showed,are ever touched THE GREAT TN. WALKING HORSE owns southern possums.So all you guys can sleep better tonight, lots of study has gone into this matter, i can spot a yankee possum a mile away.
Thanks
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everready

Non- what so ever,you all are safe.
This answer was pertaining to PETA
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Mason

I just got a BIG scare...I loged in and clicked the link to this board (I THOUGHT)WHEN it came up there was nothing on it..Well I said, they have ALL MOVED OFF AND HAVENT TOLD ME WHERE THEY ARE GOING!...come to find out I clicked the Youth thing UNDER this.theres NOTHING on it..MAN was I happy when I found you all again.ALMOST like the day I got off the school bus and my family had moved off and hadnt told me about it.NOW THATS SCARY!!!esp to an 8 yr old..I'm still affected by that..think I should get some Gov money for rehab.TALK ABOUT NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND >>help me HERE HILLLARY!
YES to the answer about the NC possums...ANYTHING below the MASON & JIM DIXON LINE IS OK....MOST of KY is OK..SOME of MO. but other than that, better have your possums checked...likely to be YANKEE blooded.

Mason
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BUBBADOG

Lord have mercy - I am so glad that the *****&(*(& issue has been resolved & I am also glad that we have the Yankees to blame. SL I appreciate your wanting to help me with my po-arse possum blood line - mine are very healthy and sweet but as I said I sure would like to improve the looks of their tails!
Mason - you have not been left alone - I have been birthing low class possums the last couple of days - can anyone help me find good responsible pet homes for them? If not - I reckon they will make fair eating (I do hope PETA is not monitoring this board)
Evererette - pass that pipe
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Mason

Bubbadog...Next time you have one of those PO-s possums of yourn to come in bring her on over to THA TRACE ...I've got a young CONFEDERATE POSSUM that I'll let you breed to for PICK OF THE LITTER..His Name is YOUNG SAM DAVIS. I think you'll be hearing from this young man...
HEY Everette dont forget the SNUFF when YOU come to the trainers show

Mason
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everready

Mason
I will bring the snuff, have'nt had a dip in a while,but that pipe still taste soooooo good.
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everready

ATTENTION--ATTENTION
Just got this info off the wire
there is a report of an outbreak of SNICKS IN THE MIDDLE TN AREA. SNICKS is smaller than TICKS that attacks SOUTHERN possums, they DO NOT BOTHER YANKEE POSSUMS, WE do not know why at this time. Snicks sucks the TOE NAILS OFF OF SOUTHERN POSSUMS,check your plock because as you know your possums can not surive without those little nails,All of you southern possums owners are in our prayers,good luck

Everett
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pushingrage

ROFLMAO....where do you all come up with this stuff....we now have "snicks" that suck the toes off of southern possums. What imaginations!

I swear I believe you could fix the TN Walking Horse industry with some of your ideas. )
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everready

Pushingrage
Thats next on our list, just as quick as we get this possum business fixed,you can't believe the trouble we have had with all the asso. and new laws we have had to fix,picky, picky people it just seems to never end.
also to my friends David,Sara, and Cissy,and any one else that has a plock of breeding possums,just pick off the SNICKS an put some straw in a quart jar and i will tell you what to do with them later.

Everett

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BUBBADOG

It's too late - this morning my possums were falling from the trees like rotten apples! WHAT AM I GOING TO DO? Now they are not even likely to make pet possums!
Is there a cure for SNICKS? Can I get the nails to regenerate? It's a pitiful sight - they all keep trying to climb back up the trees - SAD SAD SAD when they can't make it - there's mama's and babies all over the ground down in the holler hissing at each other - I hate to have to break down and call in PETA
(people eating the animals) for help - MASON do you have their number?
I might be WIPED OUT - Mason - reckon if I could get me one or two of SL'S Aristocratic Confederate Possums you and me could work out a deal?
Everybody best get out and check their possums soon as they read this - ya'll might have the SNICKS too.
PS is there not a spray for SNICKS?
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everready

Bubbadog
I have been working on this all day, this is what i have found out.Your possums will grow thier toenails back in 4 days,fast is'nt it, they are in no danger what a relief. But here is the GREAT NEWS,Snicks is GOOD FOR US, LISTEN TO THIS,pull off all the snicks and put them in boiling water it takes about 500 per batch, boil for 25 minutes then drain off the water,and let your snicks cool off, while they are cooling down ,mix 1 cup of flour 1 cup of corn syrup 1 tea spoon of vanilla and i cup of carmel then mix well,then mix in your SNICKS roll them up in the mixture, bake for 45 minutes at 350 degrees,take out of the oven then cut into bars, then pour dark chocolate over the bars.HEY YOU GUESSED IT SNICKERS BAR.and we always thought those were PEANUTS.
I am SORRY BUT THATS THE WHOLE STORY.

EVERETT
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pushingrage

OH MY GOSH!

I am not sure I will ever eat another SNICKER's bar again. ROFLMAO
SNICKER Bars are my favorite candy and I did always think those crunchy things in them were peanuts....now I know they were made from "snicks". It is a wonder that I have not lost my toenails...guess the boiling and the fact they are dead keeps one's toenails on.

Unbelievable...your imaginations. )
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everready

Right on pushingrage, Boiling was the secret, i just went and bought (from now on we will refer as SNICKS BARS)ONE. once you look at them close you can tell that they are real SNICKS, BUT REAL CHRUNCHY AND TASTY, ENJOY ONE TONIGHT I JUST DID.

Everett
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BUBBADOG

Everette - I am preheating my oven while I go to the store to get the ingredients - you ought to have a headache from all the thought that your brilliant theory must have consumed! Being as how I am on a diet, I probably won't have any however my friends are going to love them. What do you think about boiling them & then frying them crispy with garlic and olive oil and using them as a salad topping - I'll bet Snicks are not very high in calorie and probably loaded with protein. Where is Mason - I hope that it's not another possum crisis - he's getting too old for so much stress about his breeding stock. Again thank you so much - I feel so much relief knowing that my little marsupials (back barn quality though they are)footsies will be all right - and ONLY IN 4 DAYS! Well my oven has bout preheated & I've got to stop and pick the little babies up off the ground again before I start picking and cooking Snicks.
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everready

Bubbadog
My Dr. says a few snicks a day will keep the Dr. away,I think mason heard about the Snicks out break and went SNIPE hunting, he was never good at spelling in school.

Everett
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twhlady

Everett and Cissy........I was over on the Dumbest Moves thread and posted to Richard H.....about calling NC State Vet School should Snicks appear on my possums...guess everyone over there is in a state of confusion....and surely knows nothing about the possum growing / training enterprise......( will remove the post)

Anyhow, I was told by one of the staff clinicians at NC State that SNICKS is a problem located only in possums in the states of TN and GA.....and that I should not worry.

Cissy: I was planning on shipping Carolina Girl and Charlotte to you for your breeding program....and will continue with the plans as they will be immune to the SNIDKS problem. I am having a giant USDA INSPECTED sticker designed so I can ship them via US AIR or Delta. Wish I had one of those crates the women in the Carribbean carry their chickens in on all those island hopper planes....Oh well, I'll just drill some air holes.

Is Mason still over at Waterfall? We need to call Marty or David to have them check on him.......Hope Bill and Sandra don't get upset over the possum issue.

sarah lynn
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twhlady

Richard:

I read your post about Handshaker on the 'Missing Something" thread.......I had forgotten that Joe V. had him. Back when George Witt worked with Joe, David had some horses in training for Joe. Guess my memory is really fading, but who owned Handshaker then and where was he offered at service prior to that time?

Sarah Lynn
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Mason

Dont remember much about who owned Handshaker but WHAT WAS GEORGE WITTS NICKNAME?...First correct answer gets a free Stud fee to Gen. Stonewall Jackson my best CONFEDERATE POSSUM
Mason
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makethecut

Wasn't Handshaker owned at one time by the Talbots of Macon ,Ga. and stood at their barn down there?
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everready

Mason
i remember george, but not his nickname, do you remember Steve Hills nickname, by the way did you have any snicks on your possums?

Everett
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BUBBADOG

Hey Tony - I'm glad that you finally got in on this thread. I believe that you are right about Talbot's in Macon - Richie should have known that - of course that was before he was born.
Please read the previous posts about the Snicks - since ga possums get them - you better run out this morning and take a look - mine are doing fine this morning - and thee sautee'd snicks added just the right touch to my salad last night. I'm so relieved to know that my little babies won't require corrective shoeing since their little toes are already growing back. Did anyone call Waterfall to see if Mason is haunting their pastures?
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twhlady

I called Waterfall and spoke with David Williams, Tracy and Marty. They said Mason had spent about two days over there gathering up all the possums. I think he rounded up all of them. STONEWALL JACKSON had quite a harem with him...........Actually they all helped Mason in the roundup. I think Mason rode Ritz to do his herding.....as is fitting, a great WGC Rider on a great WGC Horse.......It was reported that Monty Roberts gained some valuable knowledge watching Mason.

George Witt was a Golden Golves Boxer before he trained horses........I am sure his nickname had something to do with that........

Anyone know if there exists relationship between Richard Hudgins and the former owners of Handshaker from Macon, GA?

Sarah Lynn
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everready

Grandson,and Boyds Son, thats boyd hudgins
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Mason

Steves nickname was PEEWEE

Mason
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everready

Mason, thats right my brother jessie that worked for steve for 30 yrs. started calling him peewee.
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J441

twhlady, I'm not sure who owned Handshaker at the time. Pricilla could probably remember. I rode Handshaker barefoot in Joe's barn one day. He was very swingy when you stepped him up, but down slow he was a headshaking true walking horse. Joe stood another old horse at the same time named "Sunset S" who had a big impact on the racking world. Do you remember his most famous racking colt? Sunset S also sired some broodmares who produced some very nice walking horses. I remember George Witt judging a show down in Georgia. After the stake class, one irate exhibitor jumped off his horse, took off his coat, and headed for center ring. George came out to meet him, pulling off his coat on the way too. The exhibitor saw things weren't going to be as easy as he had originally thought, so he made a quick u-turn and went back out the gate!
Mason & Everready, on another subject, do you remember Vance Paschal?
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everready

I'M SURE HE WAS SAM AND DONS BROTHER, BUT I NEVER MET HIM, MASON I'M SURE KNOWS HIM.BUT THERE WAS NO BETTER HORSE TRAINERS THAN THOSE GUYS THEN ARE NOW.DONALD I THINK WAS THE BEST TRAINER BUT SAM WAS THE BEST SHOWMAN,OF ALL TIMES.SORRY FOR THE BIG TYPE WAS'NT PAYING ATT.
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Mason

Vance was a cousin... Donald & Sam had a brother Named Forrest

Mason
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BUBBADOG

Glad to see you're back Mason - we were all real worried!
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Saddle Tramp

Vance Paschal raised palomino walking horses that were off springs of John A's Chance out of Hendrixsons Bonnie (buckskin).He passed this on to his Grandson (I think) Mack Allen Finley who stood the old yellow horse Chances Gold Dust.They all lived at Milton(Bud Seatons home) in Rutherford Co. He had a son James Morris Pashal who lived in Woodbury, was a State Trooper & traded horses. Who didn't own Mack K's Handshaker would be a better question? He was a much travelled old stud. At one time he was at Ficklings Rivoli farm in Macon Ga.He was owned by Billy Stanfill of Savannagh Tn. along with the Wolavers when he won the roses. Plus probally a dozen others before he died.I have a sale catalog from Rutherford acres in Columbia Tn. where his mama (Deep Purple) was listed to sell. Is this the horse that hung his head over the rail when going one way of the track? He produced some pacey colts with big ears. I'm surprised that "Possum"(Hah-Hah) Brock didn't own him.
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everready

Speaking of possum Brock, who remembers the great 2 yr old Elmore won with at the celebration,can you remember his name , i think was the best 2 yr old ever to win that class.
Everett

Back in that same yr. before he won the celebration, Benny Johnson, Joe Hauk and my self stopped at possums barn and watch him work, with a 6 ounce chain i have never seen an aged stud could do what that colt was doing that day.
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Double Delight O

We went to Bell Buckle to eat lunch today. On the way back as we passed Desiderata (formerly Betty Sain's farm), there is an old bodock (osage orange) tree with low hanging limbs. Under it, a spotted donkey was chasing two half-grown fawns around the tree, in and out of those branches. I don't know if the fawns had been rubbing on the limbs or eating the hedgeapples. For any person not raised around here, they are grapefruit looking with a sticky surface - they look like a human brain. Anyway, I don't know which of the three animals was having the best time.
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everready

Double Delight 00 is right, i can still see him coming out of the south in turn, walkingest son-of a gun i ever seen. YEP i know about those hedgeapples i was raised right there in The Big City of Bell Buckle.

Everett

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Saddle Tramp

Everett,

Before we got to Desiderata, we passed an old building that is right on the side on the road (on the right coming out from Bell Buckle). It's sides are covered in old vines and someone is cleaning up around it. It has two big doors on the front under the overhang. Do you know what was in it?
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everready

Use to be a storage garage that belong to Billy D. Gilmore,billy died years ago but his wife Doris was still living on that farm last i heard.I don't know if she is still living are not.
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aztlanfarms

I own the last bloodtyped, producing Handshaker mare living. Mack's Ramblin Rose she's 25. She is sorrel sabino, pretty head, kind disposition, on the swingy side, but not hard pacing. Hope to get one last foal from her. Her last foal was a maximal sabino filly by Pusher's Coat of Color. I am going to try to breed her this spring to Senator's Parader one of, if not the last, breeding sons of Ebony Senator.
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Saddle Tramp

Everett,

Since you're from the Beech Grove area, is the Possum Paw Road in Gossburg, Whoo Doo or Gnat Hill?
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everready

I dont remember, but been up Whoo doo hill a many times, my sister lived in goosburg until she passed.
my sister was willie mae fults, my brother in law still lives there ,bud fults
i believe that her address was bradyville, now i think about it ,been a long time since i was in that area.
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everready

I heard thru the grapevine that mason has been sick since he heard about the SNICKS out break, i bet i know what he has been eating. I also have heard something else is coming pertaining to the possum world, i will let everyone know as quick as i find out, it sounds pretty bad, keep up the faith.
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Saddle Tramp

Everett,

Possum Paw Road is the first road to the left past the store at Gossburg going toward Fred and Howard Messick's place. They stood three studs and a jack.

Is Randy Fults your nephew? If so, is he still trying to make it big in Hollywood? Do you have a nephew named Fuzzy? I can't remember his name but he had a beautiful 55 Chevrolet and collected coins.

Does anybody else on here like to eat at the Bell Buckle Cafe? If you haven't eaten there, you ought to go.
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everready

The fults boys maybe related to bud fults, i just dont know, but the names dont ring a bell.
I do remember that road now and fred messick
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Saddle Tramp

Has anyone seen the old film clip of Osama Bin Laden riding a black horse with an English saddle and its in slow motion. The horse is shaking his head and walking. Betty Sain sold some horses to that area in the late 60's or early 70's (Voice article). I think David Kranich did also.
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Michael J

Did someone else own Waterfall before the Johnsons? If so, who & where are they now? Why did they sell? I was wondering because I have a mare whose original name was "Waterfall's First Lady."
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twhlady

Charlie Waters (C.M.), Alexandria, Louisiana built the first barn there and was the first person to establish a TWH stable there (I think my memory is good on this). It was named Continental Farms when Mr. Charlie owned it. I believe he owned it at the time of his death. Did Buddy Hugh train there?

Then Barbara lived there for a while.

Since the Johnsons have owned the place, much improvements have been done and the place hardly looks the same. Only resemblance is the 'lay of the land' which has always been some of the prettiest in Bedford Co.

Gus Tinsley trained for Mr. Charlie in Alexandria. Mr. Waters served on the Breeders Executive Board for some time. Folks, we're going back over 40 years now......

Shows my age again........Maybe David will correct any errors I have made, and we can know something about his age too????

Sarah Lynn
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lola

The King family(daughter Ashley) also owned the farm,as well as Joe Tillet (judy Tillet Young)
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Sara

Mr Waters build it for Buddy Huhges, but they had a falling out before it was finished and buddy never got to move in it, Kings bought it, Albert Rowland was there for several years, then Joe Tillett boughr it, Sammy Day was training there when he won the celebration on Mountian Man ,then Mr Johnson bought it, Albert Rowland would be so proud of Waterfalls now, he always thought that was the prettest place in tn. and now it REALLY IS.

Everett
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Saddle Tramp

Before the Shebvul W.F. farm, the Johnson's owned a Waterfall Farm in Atlanta, GA and Flip Cook trained there.

Barbara Summers owned the Shebvul place before the Johnson's and had racking and walking horses there. She had a WGC racker named Oil Stock that she stood there, reckon that rings a bell to Possum Mason. You may not realize that the farm has about 500 acres.
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lola

Just saw an old Blue Ribbon ad featuring Continental.Wink Groover was the trainer in 86 for Barbara Sommers.
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J441

twhlady, I remember going to a Celebration party at Paradise Farms when I was about 12 or 13. Jimmy Ellis joined the live band and sang "Me and Bobby McGee". The lady who owned the farm took me into the stall with Sun's Delight and we talked for about half an hour while petting him. She was a very nice & classy person who always had time to stop and say hello at the shows. Do you remember this lady and the party she threw?
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twhlady

Richard,

I remember Bert Gray (maybe Burt Grey) who originally built Paradise Farms (now Sand Creek)........I remember Dr. Johnson bought the farm and Sun's Delight D........think Fray Escue owned Delight previously. But I do not remember which lady you are speaking about unless it is Mrs. Johnson. I also remember Jimmy Ellis singing.......he always sang and did a tremendous performance.

Now that you bring that up, who are all the people that have owned Paradise - Sand Creek?

Sarah Lynn
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turntoride

You folks on this thread have a loose screw (LOL)
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everready

Yep, but we know alot about possums, speaking of possums, another out break is on its way folks.cant talk much about it now, but stay tuned in, this might be THE BIG ONE.

Everett
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everready

OK POSSUM OWNERS HERE IT IS,this is a long one
An out break of SNICKLETTS ARE ON THE LOOSE
WE have been watching this one real close.
SNICKLETTS are SNICKS crossed with TICKS,we knew it was coming in just a matter of time. This is what happens, these little buggers are small white gnat looking creatures, and really hard to see, the ONLY way you can tell your plock of possums are infested with SNICKLETTS, IS THE WAY THEY CARRY THIER LITTLE HEADS. THE POSSUM WILL TILT ITS LITTLE HEAD TO THE LEFT AND ITS SNOUT TO THE RIGHT IF THIS IS NOT FIXED RIGHT AWAY THE POSSUM NECK GETS STIFF AND THEN PASS'S AWAY.SNICKLETTS will get in the possums LEFT EAR, THEY WILL NOT AFFECT THE RIGHT EAR, WE DONT KNOW WHY EITHER.BUT we have a SPRAY that will FIX your problems. They will be a 2 step process,as of JAN 16TH GO to your LOCAL TACK SHOP, get 1 can of SNICKLETT SPRAY AND 1 SNICKLETT STRAP PER POSSUM,SPRAY THE LEFT EAR THOUGHTLY AND HOOK THE SNICKLETT STRAP AROUND THE SNOUT AND WRAP AROUND LEFT FRONT LEG OF POSSUM, THIS WILL STRAIGTEN THE HEAD UP IN 24 HOURS THE SNICKLETTS WILL BE GONE, THEN YOU CAN TAKE THE STRAP OFF,THEN YOU WILL HAVE A HAPPY PLOCK OF POSSUMS AGAIN.
SORRY FOR ALL THE TROUBLES, BUT WE DO LOVE OUR POSSUMS, DON'T WE.
THANKS until the NEXT problem

Everett
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Saddle Tramp

I would like to know, if this Gus Tinsleys name was Gaynell & if he was the head football coach at L.S.U. at one time & what ever became of him. If this is the same feller, I think they won the national title under him.
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everready

OK everybody, FESS UP you know you gotta -em,Dont be ashamed its not that bad.
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longshanks

I also knew Gaynell (Mr. Gus) Tinsley. He was an old man when I met him in the 80's and lived in Baton Rouge. He used to hang out at Roosevelt William's barn. He also worked a few horses of his own and was helped by Roosevelt's son, Greg. I don't know if this is the same guy, but I think it is and I am pretty sure he coached ball for LSU. I am not sure of the details, but I think he also had some sort of attachment to Triple Threat who was born or bred in Amite, La which is not that far from Baton Rouge.
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lola

Mr Gus owned Triple Threat,and trained and showed him until he sold to the people in Texas.He was the head coach at LSU as well as a former All American.He looked a lot older than he actually was. He died about two years ago.
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workout

Buddy Hugh did indeed train at the farm now known as Waterfall Farms. His then father-in-law, Marvin West, finished building the barn for him.He trained there several years.

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twhlady

lola:

Quoted directly from the Walkers West web site about Triple Threat:

"He was bred by Robert Ellis, Jr. of Amite, Louisiana and registered to Mrs. Maud Ellis Palmer
In 1963, while the property of Circle T Ranch in Roanoke, Texas, Triple Threat won the Reserve Champion Stallion and Reserve Grand Championship with Harold Kennedy up. Pat Kimbrough of Murfreesboro, TN, purchased the stallion soon after the Celebration, but before the spring of 1964, sold him to C. E. Clement, J. B. Sherrill and Clyde Abernathy of Hickory, NC. He was their horse during the 1964 Celebration. Triple Threat again won the Reserve Stallion and Reserve Grand Championship, under Harold Kennedy in 1964.

During the 1965 Murray Farm Spring Sale, the stallion was sold to Hank Sheely of Dallas, TX. Sheely sold him to Joe Wright of Nacogdoches, TX. Joe Wright was his proud owner when he won the World Grand Championship in 1965. He had previously also won the Stallion class.

In the big Championship Stakes of 1965, there were eleven entries, but Triple Threat and Doug Wolaver"
was champion...................

sarahlynn
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Saddle Tramp

When I was typing the question about Mr Tinsley I was thinking that he & Digby Palmer had connections with Triple Threat & Quarterback.
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(Unknown)

Digby bred and raised Triple Threat and I believe broke him. I think he was owned by a relative of Digby's, mother, aunt or sister maybe. I seem to recall that TT's papers were lost or somthing and his original name was Gypsy's Traveler or something like that.
It also seems to me that there was a connection to Mr. Tinsley.
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everready

I do remember now buddy hugh's did have what now is known as waterfalls farms,i had forgetten about barbra summers owning it also, getting older than i think,sorry about that.

Everett
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BUBBADOG

Everette - mine have all got it - but I have found a solution - I work for veterinarians and we have my baby possums on iv catheters with just a touch of a secret ingredient in it (i cannot divulge what this is to the public - ya'll know how thangs are) After running fluids on them for about 48 hours they are back to their cute little playful selves - toenails growing back - I doubt that they will need corrective shoeing --
just one thing Everette - I sure do wish you hadn't said to eat the SNICKS - cause delicious as they might be, they will make you powerful sick - I bet MASON ate some too.
Keep the faith - for the time being my possum crisis has been averted - however - I am still interested in breeding some nice fluffy tails.
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everready

Bubbadog
Thank you for coming up with the solution, I am worn out carring the load for this possum business,but you know me ,i worry about ALL living things.Mason 's getting old he's taking a nap somewhere, when i get to TN.i will wake his butt up.

Everett
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Saddle Tramp

Would any of yall know why B.A. Skipper Jr. dropped out of the Walking Horse World?Did he train his own horses? He owned and showed Skippers Son of Midnight who was Ebonys sire.He also showed a horse named Hadacol Skipper.

I would also like to know what happened to Les Nelson.In my opinion he was the best photographer or at least touch up man in the business.He made Joe Webbs Entertainer horse look outstanding around 1968.I remember he lived in front of the Wiser farm.I have a picture that I bought at the Wartrace Hotel auction with Ralph Hensley on a filly that Ralph told me was Les's first paying job.
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lola

TWHlady-Thank you,I guess,for the quotes from the Walkers West website.Were you adding additional info,or do you think that my recollections are incorrect.BTW,I have an old 35mm film showing Mr. Gus on Triple Threat at an old Southwestern Show Circuit show.Also old films showing Mrs. Barnwell,Bubba Lewis,as well as clips of Sun's Quarterback and Sun's Gunsmoke.
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workout

This is getting before my time, but I love this forum. When I was real little, I remember seeing Gunsmoke's Son showing. I think he won the 2, 3 & Junior World Championships.
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twhlady

Mr. Nelson died some years ago. Before he died his beautiful home that sat high on the hill out on Hwy 64 burned......claiming many of the great old pictures he had recorded for history. I have two originals that he gave me - both stud poses.... of Midnight Sun and Sun's Delight D. I treasure these along with my Billie Nipper print of the Warm-up Ring.

Now we have many great equine artists and photographers, but I think that Mr. Les wrote the bible for photography art of our horse.

Another great action photogropher was Jim Dixon - from here in my home state.........and Jim is also dead. I miss my old friends.

Jack Greene is still doing his great photo art.....he shot the Wartrace Show for us last spring. Not only is he a great photographer, he also is chairman of the center ring entertainment committee.

I will not mention all of the eqine photographers/artists, but I must take a moment to ask that all of you remember Sherry Oxford. She is not only a great photographer, but also a dear friend. I ask that all of you say special prayers for her, and ask God to hold her hand, restore her health, and give her peace. Sherry is in a struggle for her life.........

Sarah Lynn
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C. Biscuit

Allen's Black Magic: If anyone has information or stories about this horse please post it here. He really sired some great horses.
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(Unknown)

I don't know much about him except that he was in Missouri I believe and he only sired about 170 or so foals.He was born in 1941, by Merry Boy and out of Merry Alice. His full brother was Blue Namron that Winston Wiser showed and won all over Tn. with. In addition to siring such great show horses as Black Magic Woman, Mister Charcoal, Magic Mischief and Mr. Magic, he was also the sire of other great breeding horses. His daughter Magic's Fame D. produced My Magic Marker, Satin N Silk, Magic Bum, Country Executive and Magic Fashion.He was also the sire of The Witch Doctor, who in turn sired such greats as The Witch and Warlock among others.
I think if he had stood in middle Tn., he would have been reconginized as one of the all time great sires of our breed.
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twhlady

Lola.........not correcting your post - just adding additional information. I knew that Sherrill/Clements/Abernathy owned Triple Threat, because I saw him compete in High Point many years ago with Sammy Cecil in the irons.

And then I will never forget when Mr. Turner became so terribly disillusioned and upset with our industry over his horse, T.T. And Harold and Toby were so horribly disappointed.

Also, I thought Joe and Jan bought T.T. at the Murray Farm Sale that fall........

So you see, I had great gaps in my memory of the horse. As I remember Triple Threat, he would be competitive even today.

As for Gus, I remember him at Charlie's Alexandria, LA stables........and did not even know Gus was a football great.

When thinking about Glenn Turner removing himself from our industry, and from his life everything that could remind him of anything to do with our breed....this brings cold chills down my spine......He, like so many others who are gone, was an asset to our industry.

But the great horse Triple Threat, probably years ahead of his competition, will always be remembered. Doug Wolaver took the reins of the great horse and rode him to the roses.........one of three WGC for Doug. (I think he rode three...or maybe, four.)

Sarah Lynn
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lola

Funny thing about this thread. So many owners and trainers of this era think of Generator's Silver Lining,My Magic Marker,Delight's Summer Girl,as horses from the olden days.Seems like just yesterday when they were showing.Imagine,when Gary Edwards come off of his vacation,that a whole generation of young trainers,never saw him show,or showed in classes with him.Just shows that the good old days can be right now.Another generation is now talking about Skywatch and Ritz and Silver Dollar being "back when."Even though I like to remember the old days and the grounds fondly,I can also remember the horrible mud in the barn areas when it rained,making it so difficult to keep a horse clean.Lots of great parties,lots of drinking,lots of seeing people aged before their time.Todays trainers treat the world of showing with a more business like attitude.Lots of shortcuts could be taken in the "good old days".Modernization brings forth good and bad.
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twhlady

Lola..........please email me. bledsoesl@aol.com

I have had a project suggested to me......and I truly think you can be of great assistance.

Thank you,

Sarah Lynn

PS (an added thought) I think Gary will be back in the irons very soon........I truly hope so. When??????
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(Unknown)

Twhlady, Doug Wolaver did win 3 WGCs, as did Joe Webb, Sam Paschal and Billy Gray. Steve Hill won 4 and Winston Wiser 5.
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lola

This is a morning for looking back and remembering-Mrs Sara Renfro (married to "Big Jake") Joe Van Clayton-a heart as big as gold.I assume that Paul Smith has died? What happened to Faye? Val Caruthers? Sandy Forman?Gene Akers? Margaret(BeeBee)Reeves-owned Coco's Sesation and another horse that could really come up. Jimmy Gandy? Chalmas Davenport? TWHlady-I will email you as soon as myemail situation is resolved.I am changing Internet service-don't know if I will survive the transition.
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lola

Gary Edwards will be able to show this year,but do not know if it is before or after the Celebration.
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twhlady

LOLA.....

I think Paul is gone. Buddy Black still lives somewhere in the middle TN area.

I remember Sara well, quite an equestrian in any discipline and a great supporter of this breed.

Joe Vann helped many of us in this industry. David worked for him and continued to have horses for him over the years.........

Someone will probably respond about Faye......I have not talked with her in years.....since the restaurant out on 231 towards M'boro........

Sandy forman just vanished........and then Marianne and JT were there at Bel Aire......after Margaret and Howard.........and now Denise and Dale are there. Maybe Billy and Margie might know what happened to Sandy.

Last I heard of BeeBee was when she was somewhere in the Southern Hemisphere......New Zeland maybe....my memories are a bit foggy....but I do remember Coco's Sensation well.....Ronnie rode him, I believe...

What about Elaine Tonsmire? Haven't heard from her for years. She always was very involved with the TWH.

Jimmy 'Gandy from TX.........and lots of other TX folks such as Joelle.....During Katrina and Rita Hurricanes I thought about her because a lot of the storms hit Beaumont really bad........I bet Connie can give us info about her.

And Byron Landress.........

I remember Mr. W.O. Crawford.....and Betty his gracious wife. I stayed with them from time to time in Letohatchie, AL..........on their beautiful plantation.

We've spoken a lot about Jimmy Ellis........I truly have great memories of being with Furniss and Mary Faye on their huge plantation in Dallas Co. AL........

A walk down the memory lane in LA - that's what we AL folks call south AL, the "L" meaning 'lower'- reveals great memories, great people and wonderful horses and shows...

Do you remember Celia Shuptrine-Allison. She had a sister-in-law also named Ceila who was Aymett's customer for many years.......I remember a party at Celis's lovely home in Selma. The decorations were all horsey centered........actually there were Celebration ribbons from the 1940's.......and a field trial I attended at White Bluffs, their plantation. They actually put my rather large f*n*y in the saddle on a trotting horse.....Saddlehorse type, imagine that.....

We've lost a lot of friends and industry assets......
either thru death or disillusionment.........Many of my great and wonderful friends have died.

MEMORIES, AREN'T THEY FANTASTC? Some of them bring tears to my eyes........other times I laugh my head off.

Sarah Lynn
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lola

I saw Elaine about a year ago. She looks good, is married(to a non-horsey person) and still living in Tn.She had great success in the past with Copy's Frolic.She was a very nice mare.I have seen Buddy Black recently.He lives in or near Woodbury,visits barns in the Shelbyville area and even showed a few times this summer.He carried the flag at the Woodbury show this year-still looks great on a horse.He recently had a knee replacement.He has aged gracefully.The restaurant on 231 is the last place that I saw Faye.Sara had a black mare that she won a ladies WC with.I can't remember the mare's name,but she raised a few good colts from her,Patty Henegar did well with one of them."Big Jake" died from a heart attack on the way to sign the divorce papers.
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Vizsla

I think an old man in the buisness told me a story one time that Allen's Balck Magic spent some time in Colorado.
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everready

lola
Paul Smith is still living i talk to him about once a month, he lives in Shelbyville i am going to see him when i get to the trainers show.

Everett
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Saddle Tramp

I sold Jim Gandy a complete collection of Blue Ribbon yr books at the sale of champions about 1988. I didn't know him so I wanted to see his drivers license because he paid me with a check.After he drove off I noticed that the check was on Gandy Mortgage & loan in Dallas. I thought that I had been taken for sure.Before he left I told him that I couldn't afford to lose the $950 & he assured me that I wouldn't & I didn't. I think that he is dead now. I would like to know what happened to the books.
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Is Billy Hale still living? And does anyone remember Herb McCallister?
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twhlady

Folk, I received a surprise tonite:

There must be lots of people keeping up with all the "stuff" we chat about here.....I have just heard from Deedy Decker......a dear friend of all of us. Not a single one of us can ever forget Deedy. She emailed me about Paul Smith being alive and doing well.

I really would like to visit with Paul.......and if he is online watching I hope he will forgive me for saying he is gone.....just haven't seen him forever.......

Deedy said she saw a picture of Sandy Foreman in a real estate publication in Chapel Hill recently, and that Faye and Nancy were in FL, the last contact she had with them.

It was great to hear from Deedy.........dear God, could she ever ride a horse......and her riding habits set the standard for many, many years......She is one of our industry's all-time great amateur competitors and one fine equestrian to boot.......Deedy is also another of our industry's wonderful artists........

Yes, Billy Hale is well and looks just about like he always did........hasn't aged very much at all.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had sort of a 'reunion' or something........during the Celebration or one of the shows when we will all be in TN.....and we could sit and laugh and have fun......and even cry together?


Sarah Lynn

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Saddle Tramp

J441
Do You really mean Herb McClain who drove road horses back in the 60's & 70's? He would have to be dead of old age now. I think Billy Hale lives in Brentwood now instead of Gallatin.
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twhlady, that's an excellent idea. I wonder if we could get everyone together at one of the shows this year...

Saddle Tramp, Herb McClain brings up some good old memories too. Great guy, remember him well. Worked several sales together. Herb McCallister was an old maintenance man at the Marshall County Schools. He sold the hand-carved cedar walking horses out of the back of a station wagon at some of the sales.
Remember the old fellow who sold the goat sandwiches at Murray Farm? I don't think I ever got his name, but I sure loved those sandwiches.

By the way, Saddle Tramp, I figured out who you are and read your earlier posts to my dad. He enjoyed your posts and asked me to relay a warm "hello" to you. He said you were always one of his "favorite people even when you were a young 'un!"
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What about the workout between The Pusher and Ebony's Mountain Man. I remember, as a kid growing up, that everyone was on their feet watching this duo go head to head. I still get goose bumps thinking of it.
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I got an opportunity to ride Ebony's Mountain Man many times before he was sold to the Tillet's at the show at Chilowhee Park in Knoxville, TN. The main thing going for Mountain Man was his front end. He was lacking considerably in the rear end. Sammy Day did improve his back end quite a bit. The PUSHER was a total horse that could walk both front and back that sat there and wore you out in all gaits. I love the Pusher! Mountain Man was a great horse also....just not the best backend but I sure would have not have cared to own him.
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(Unknown)

Did you ever notice that the horses with the best backends make the best breeding horses? Ebony, Delight,Pusher, Hard Cash....
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twhlady

Moonglow........and all the rest of you who have been around a long time, I have a question:

What do you think our breeding sheds offer today to the breeding public with regard to the propensity to transmit to the get (offspring) the gait that first made our breed so popular? The original gait was not a 'hard' pace.

Please do not crucify me for asking this question. I am just trying to think back in the history of our breed.........and thus to the future for our great horse.

I am aware of some discontent in breeding areas and among individuals who raise our horse for only trail and pleasure use.........those who have no intent to ever approach the show ring.

Sarah Lynn
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(Unknown)

twhwlady, An old time breeder told me just a few years ago, that we need to take a really good look at the stallions that are standing today, and geld 90% of them, and then take a good look at what was left, and then geld another 90%, and then then start in on the mares we are beeeding.Only breed mares that make show horses, or have a history of having good producing mares in their background.
Back in the day, only stallions that had a long winning show record had mares in their court. Now days, a horse that only showed for a year or two, and won a World Championship, is retired and stands at stud.And WCs ain't what they used to be.
The result is that we have a market where the supply exceeds the demand.

jmho
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twhlady

Moonglow.........You and I must be about the same vintage. I knew so many of the old breeders - the men who really established the foundation. They addressed how to cross lineages, "nicks" and breeding to the strengths of the mare. Also those old time breeders would only use a mare who exhibited the desired abilities herself for breeding. All of those old men placed a trememdous responsibility on the mare. Now-a-days, if a mare is not show quality, then she is bred. And this is definitely not the way to go. Folks breed for color, folks breed for name.......seldom if ever do you hear a strong discussion about other traits and characteristics. Somehow I thought your impression of today's breeding sheds would be as you stated.

Thank you so much for giving your opinion.

Sarah Lynn
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C. Biscuit

The list of show mares that made great brood mares is short. So many mares are culled because they don't make in 45 days and then you have to consider just who was training her. Did she ever get ridden by anyone who could make her hit or was she given to the new guy to break. Most of the great horses are out of mares that didn't make. What about all these embryo transplants out of the greatest mares, just don't hear about them. If a mare moves good in the pasture I don't care if she made or not.
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(Unknown)

C Biscuit, I don't think anyone is advocating that we only breed show mares to get show horses.But a mare has to have show horse qualities in order to get a good foal out of her.If you breed a mare just because she is able to reproduce, you will end up with foals that won't even bring their stud fee prices as yearlings. Hey, wait a minute, that's what we have now!
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walkon007

Sarah Lynn,
I do agree with the old-timers about the breeding situation. There are too many foals hitting the ground
because the owners are not planning ahead thinking of lineage and crossage. It' a money market thing nowadays, instead of taking pride in our breed and promoting our breed. I believe the stallions of the past have better breeding than ones today. What would you breed with a Pride's Jubilee Star mare?

Walkon007
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walkon007

With the time and money invested in the walking horse industry, people should work getting along with one another. If people would breed with knowledge, maybe our horses would not have all the problems that pertain to the USDA and DQP. More natural movements would help solve the harsh soring involved. People that have to pressure shoe need to be eliminated from the walking horse industry permantly. Trainers need to be more involved and get one on one with the horses they train. I believe the 2 yr. olds are not as stout as they were 20 yrs. ago. I believe they should not be shown until they're 3 yrs. old. About 75% do not make it past 5 yrs. old in the show ring.

walkon007
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Everett

I agree with you. Walkon007
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everready

Bubbadog
email me at emajors@tampabay.rr.com

Everett
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BUBBADOG

E - did you get my e-mail?
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everready

Cissy
I did get it, and emailed you back
Thanks

Everett
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Saddle Tramp

One of the worst things to happen in the breeding of the TWH, was the popularity that the Spotted Saddle horse gained in the 80's & 90's. This is when the breeding for color first & gait second started. In the 60's & 70's there wasn't a registered tobiano TWH to be found. Any knowledgable horse person knows that people bred registered Twh mares to spotted stallions & lied about the sire when it came registration time, to get the first double registered horses.this is why blood typing was finally incorporated.
Then palomino's became popular & everyone wanted a cremello stud.Then grey's got hot.Now I hear that red roans & blue roans are the color of choice.
When you are on the trail or in the woods on a horse, his color or the shape of his ears means nothing.The most important thing is whats between his ears & what his feet are doing.
When selecting a colt for the show ring, he has to have the right gait & a strong will.
I agree that 90% of all TWH stallions need to become geldings & about that many mares need to not be bred anymore.IT makes me sick to see so many worthless stallions being advertised for $500 to $1,000 stud fee's.
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everready

What was the name of the 1st WORLD GRAND CHAMPION
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everready

What year was the 1st WORLD GRAND CHAMPION Crowned
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(Unknown)

Strolling Jim, unless this is a trick question.
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(Unknown)

Strolling Jim in 1939 I should say.
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(Unknown)

In 1954 the TWHBAA refused to recognize the Celebration winner as the WGC.Instead they decreed that the winner of the Tennessee State Fair would be the WGC. Name the horse and rider that claimed to be "The only Tennessee Walking Horse Breeder's Association of America-recognized World's Champion."
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Moonglow66
Strolling Jim is correct on both questions,I was just checking to see if anyone was paying attention.
I dont remember the horse or rider of the 1954 question,but thats a good one.
Everett
Wasn't White Star crowned WGC in 54 or Talk of The Town, my dad worked for Steve Hill when Talk Of The Town won , it was in that era
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Saddle Tramp

1950 Old Glories Big Man, Carl Edwards (started at Steve Hills)
1951 Talk of The Town
1952 Talk of The Town, Steve Hill
1953 Talk of The Town
1954 White Star, Percy Moss (maybe ED EZELL started)
1955 Go Boys Shadow, Winston Wiser
1956 same

I think that the Dixie Jubilee at LSU used to crown a WGC also & the futurity was at the TN. state fair.

Did yall realize that the man that Strolling Jim was bought from in Viola was also a judge at the celebration, not to take anything away from Jim because he was a great horse, just look at Dr. Womacks movie, A Look into The Past.
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(Unknown)

E, White Star was the WGC at the Celebration that year.
The horse the TWHBAA recoginized was sired by a previous WGC that was owned by the same owner as this horse.
Another hint, the rider was a judge at the 1963 Celebration

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fatpup56

Midnight Mack K ?????????????? for the 1954 question.
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Jimr

moonglow66, besides White Star winning the Celebration that year, the championship class at the 1954 Tn. State Fair is one of my earliest horse show memories. Sun's Big Shot with J.B. Smith riding won the class. I also remember that Go Boy's Souvenier and Winston Wiser were reserve. What I remember most about the class was that Go Boy's Souvenier had more speed and as he passed Sun's Big Shot, Winston kept motioning for J. B. to 'come on' and try to keep up. He couldn't, but was the better walking horse and won. Haven't seen Winston's kind of showmanship since. I believe Mr. Wiser won the championship there the next year on Go Boy's Shadow, and Setting Sun with Sam Paschal riding won in 1956, the last year the Tn. State Fair show was held.

Jim
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(Unknown)

Jimr,You are correct, the winner was Sun's Big Shot with J.B.Smith riding for Mrs.G.M.Livingston of Quitman,Ga.In the stallion stake it was Go Boy's Souvenir and Winston Wiser reserve, with Midnight Mack K third.In the open championship Mack K was reserve and Souvenir was third.
Thanks for Winston Wiser story, he was without a doubt one of the best of his era.
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everready

Hey- you guys are good,I worked for Winston two summers when i was 15 & 16, he was i think the best horseman i've ever known. i saw him take Go Boy's S hadow and tie the reins together in the hallway of is barn and make him Flat walk ,Running Walk and Canter from standing in the middle of the hallway, by voice command, now thats GOOD.
Everett
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makethecut

I never got a chance to see Mr. Wiser, but I saw Bud Seaton do the same thing with the reins tied aroung Flashy Prides neck in the hallway of his barn.
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everready

Bud Seaton was also a good horseman and a friend of mine.

Everett
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Saddle Tramp

Would some of yall older guys that saw Go boys Shadow in the flesh, please make some comments about his conformation. I've only seen a picture of him when he was 16 yrs old & for the life of me, I don't see how he
ever made a show horse.He looked like a blocky Quarter horse. His neck was short, & standing bare footed his hips were way taller than his withers. I have a color newspaper clipping that shows this.
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aztlanfarms

everready, Seeing him in the flesh, what was your opinion of Shadow? Somewhere I read that Wiser or another old time trainer said Shadow was the best walking horse he had ever ridden.
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(Unknown)

I never saw him when he was showing, but I saw him when he was standing at stud and I thought he was an exceptionally pretty horse.I had quite a few horses sired by him and they were exceptionally pretty.
No question he was the greatest show horse of his day.
The only horse to ever defeat him at the Celebration was Setting Sun when he was a two year old.
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everready

azlanfarms
That just about decribes him, pretty head and ears, and his butt was higher than his withers when he was barefooted.But was one of the best 3 gaited horses i ever saw.I dont know why but years ago not all but most walking horses look that way barefooted.you should have seen Ebonys Threat barefooted looked like a large shetland pony, but a walking son of a gun. I suppose the breeding as a lot to do with it. NOW horses are put together better.

Everett
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aztlanfarms

The Standardbreds have a higher rear which allows them to get underthemselves more at the pace-highly desired conformation, perhaps crooked hind legs helped drop the TWH topline somewhat.
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Mason

I agree with Eveready...for THE TIMES Shadow was the best...I saw him win both yrs...I was just a kid but he was exciting to watch...remember horses back then wore about as much pad as saddlebreds.Horses today would look lower in front without ALL those pads.

Mason
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everready

You guys remember B Major Wilson, had the best canter of any walking horse ever, I cant believe that the canter has but all stopped. Another thing i cant believe that a TRAINER would think of showing in a no canter class.Way back when the only no canter class was 11 and under, now TRAINERS have a class at the CELEBRATION that has no canter,UNBLIEVEABLE.

Everett
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(Unknown)

Even the eleven and under kids used to canter back when they were showing with the 12 and under kids. I thinking eliminating the canter was one of the biggest mistakes this industry has ever made.This breed has the best canter in the horse world, and we have all but done away with it.A trainer that can't teach a horse to canter is not much of a trainer, and a rider that can't canter a horse is not much of a rider, and a horse that can't canter is not a real show horse.
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howarddavidl

Who was Chuck Layton?
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Saddle Tramp

Chuck Layton was a Photographer.I remember action 70 by Layton stamped on photo's. He was in Les Nelsons era, but not as good in my opinion. I know nothing about him personally.
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everready

Hey all you Owners go to your trainer tommorrow and tell him or her that you want your horse to canter, and teach you how to get in that ROCKING CHAIR GAIT. now watch the look you will get, serious JUST DO IT.
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(Unknown)

Amen,brother E!
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Saddle Tramp

With 30 classes at a one night show, there wouldn't be time for many canter classes, the same goes for the Celebration. It would also be dangerous for the Juveniles & some of the Amateurs.I saw one of the Derickson twins horse, canter his front feet over the rail, into a garbage barrel & turn a somersault, for example.
I agree the canter is beautiful.I remember Prides Secret Threat & Rockabye Lady & the way they could do it.
Will cantering a horse, increase its stride?
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twhlady

Time was.........everything cantered except the 2 year olds. I really do not know why it changed.

Coming from the saddle horse world, I truly believe that the canter is very important. The canter finishes the horse........and the lope is a natural gait for all equines.

Seems like virtually everything evolves around to change.........sometimes for he better, sometimes for the worst.

Any ideas why the canter is virtually extinct?

Sarah Lynn
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scooter

Laziness. People don't want to spend the extra time teaching the horse or themselves to canter. Some talk about the danger in cantering. I don't see how it is any more dangerous now than it was when all horses (except 2 yr olds) cantered. It should be brought back. The TWH is a three gaited horse, period.
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J441

Amen, Scooter.
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broomman

I have a photo of Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson shaking hands with Claude Brown on "B. Major Wilson" as the trophy presentation.

The heading said President Lyndon B. Johnson!
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(Unknown)

Saying that there isn't time to have canter classes at a show is ridiculous. We had them for years and years and the breed and the shows were much better for it.I think we have way too many classes now anyway. Combine them and lets have a bunch of good ones in the ring at the same time, instead of having little dinky classes with 3 -8 horses. As for cantering being dangerous, many would say that just riding a horses is dangerous. If the horse and the rider take the time to learn, its no more dangerous than the other gaits.

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scooter

moonglow66,

WELL SAID!
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(Unknown)

Cantering is NOT dangerous, and as for the celebration ..the clases aren't near as large as they used to be before they started splitting them so much. I've been in there with 47 horses in a canter class....it's called knowing how to ride and show...and that was before they had radios....
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everready

Come on all you owners and trainers the Walking Horse is a 3 Gaited Horse, I trained them for 35 yrs. the canter is the easest gait for a horse to do, and dont tell me that they are doing to big of a lick, thats baloney its all about the timeing of the horse,lets gettem back to doing 3 gaits.
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Michael J

I love watching the canter classes be it flat shod or performance. I also prefer watching the guys that can go right into a canter (Joe Martin, Bill Bobo, Ramsey Bullington) where they are not having to pump the reins--they just go. I would like to see more canter classes even if it meant a longer show or fewer classes.
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everready

All you owners write to Wink Groover President of W.H.T.A. and demand that the CANTER be put back in the W.H.T.A. MANUAL. The horse industry needs it, The spectators need to see it, and us retired horse trainers need to see it again, dont we Mason.
Everett
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shoe

Amen to that!! They need to do away with the radios in the show ring and learn to ride and show their horse.
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Mason

Everett I could say lots more about this cantering stuff & Trainers???TRAINERS??? ,etc..but I do not want to offend anyone.I'm OLD ,Crabby,Set in my ways.... And think from the OLD SCHOOL..so what I would say about this wouldnt help anyone. I have lost any desire to go to shows..I havent seen a walking horse show since Callaway won the Celebration...went only one night that yr.... I have old horse friends that I love, but If I have to go to a show to see them I'll never see them again...NOW ALL that is subject to a change of mind but I dont see it coming.Some times I wish I could get interested again.I enjoy chattin with all you guys on here.Like I've said before, TOO many problems that I see NO answer to...same problems we've had for 30-40 yrs and folks are still TALKING about it.I saw some of what they planned to do at the shows this yr..sounds great..... BUT remember a TRAIN WHISTLES LOUDER IN COLD WEATHER
Mason
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pushingrage

David,

Can I ask you one personal question? What was the straw that broke the camel's back for you that you lost your interest and desire to stay in the business if you could name one thing?
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sable812

A train whistles louder in cold weather. I have never heard that. How true it is too.

I have forgotten that you had a lot of these sayings that I had never heard.
Folks, I showed padded for 10-15 years and had a lot of trainers. I had the most fun at David's barn.
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jim19

i am like almost everyone on here, we just bought a horse and the last thing that I told the trainer who had him was that before we took him home he had to be taught to canter. the horse is 6!! last year we put a canter on a horse that was as pretty as could be and we didn't stop him and jerk him up, simply touch his shoulder and tell him to canter, did not matter when or where he did it. 3 different people rode and showed him with no problem. As for being more dangerous, i would rather have one canter than trying to ride one that is so square he just barely gets out of a trot. i also think it helps the horse to evolve into a better overall horse and actually helps to gentle them because of it
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sable812

I also think the canter helps with lengthen the stride behind.
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Mason

Pushin...I guess the STRAW was finally seeing that ALL these PROBLEMS we are STILL talking about will NEVER be solved
And thanks for that nice comment SABLE!
Mason
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scooter

Mason,

You and I agree on a lot of things, but I do disagree with you on one major thing.
Either these old problems are ironed out and resolved or there is not going to be any performance horse industry left.
The handwriting is on the wall, will we listen?
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BUBBADOG

Amen Mason - same old song, ain't it?
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Mason

SCOOTER AND BUBBADOG...We are ALL right..AINT
NOTHIN gonna change...YOU cant fight city hall...its their ball and their court...they(u.s.d. of a) MAKE & CHANGE the rules to suit themselves...they will NEVER get out..NO matter what the WH folks do...you could pull the pads chains tailbraces bits spurs and whatever off all of the horses and they would STILL have to justify their existence and find something to make themselves look good...
MY OPINION AND OUGHT TO BE YOURS...HA!HEY we ARE still TALKING about the SAME THING we've been kickin round for nearly 40 yr!NO CHANGE
Mason
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everready

Sable
You are right about the canter helping the stride of walking horses, it not only helps the rear end of the horse it also helps the front shoulders and front legs of walking horses.
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Saddle Tramp

Mason is right, there will always be trouble, in 72 or 73 there was a walkout by the trainers on the first friday night of the celebration.There was a rule, that if a horse was excused after entering the ring, the celebration didn't have to return the entry fee.Well guess what the inspection tightened up, but they didn't disqualify the horses until after they got in the ring.Thats what caused the boycot.I think thats about the same time that the pad packages were redesigned.You let the show season start & some will take horses to the first shows compliant & some won't.The non compliants of the big Dawg trainers will win & the next week, it will be back to business as usual.If you think I'm wrong, just hang around.
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scooter

Mason,
I totally agree that it is the same old song, second verse, however, this time it is different. We now have the USHS in the TWHBEA, believe me, this is gonna make a difference.

The g men are going to put themselves out of a job without our help. If they pull the things they did in 06 how many people are going to spend thousands of dollars on their horses only to have them disqualified?

It just won't last long. You may win on appeal but you still lost your capitol investment.......When the gov. doesn't allow horses to show that are compliant they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces. If things don't change you are going to see a mass exodus from the performance horse. Maybe the USDofA will think about what they are doing to themselves.

I totally understand how they work. I grew up with inspectors coming on our farm regurlarly, they always found something for you to do even if it was paint the window sashes. They couldn't leave without giving you a project. This is different. When they deny a horse a chance to show they are causing owners to wonder, "why am I even trying to do this?"

I think this is the main difference.

So?
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Saddle Tramp

Photographers
Rickman, Bill Humphrees, Shirley Paulette, Les Nelson, Osteen, Sargent, Chuck Layton, Jim Dixson, Larry Lowman, Sherry Oxford, Jack Green, Shane Shiflet,Sandra Hall, McClasky & David Pruett. Plus Jack Knox did some good cartoons & sketches & Billie Nipper & Kim Abney have done some great color Portraits. Sargents picture of Sam & Ebony, on the very first Voice (March 1962) was quite unique.
Larry Lowmans standing, color, stud pose of Delight of Pride was one of the best that I've ever seen.
Jim Dixons color & action shot of David Mason & The Super Stock was great.
Jack Greene took a good shot of Out on Parole & Steve Dunn.
But the photo,s that hang around in my mind, are Les Nelsons Heavily touched up shots of Joe Wedd & The Entertainer & Bob McQueery on a mare that I can't remember her name. He also did good stud photo's of
Merry Go Boy & Ebony Masterpiece.
I would like to hear what yall might think on this subject.
Thanks
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Saddle Tramp
Those Photographers are the BEST HORSE TRAINERS in the business,I gave Jim Dixon his big start in that business.He took a picture for me on Go Boy's Travelin Man, i told him to move every hair if he had to, i wanted a good picture , and it was a great picture, if Jim was still living he would tell you thats when his business kicked in high gear.travlin man was just a nice horse, but that was a great picture.
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

everready
Thanks for the comments on the photographers & Jim Dixson & Your horse.
Did you & Johny Brown ever ride horses from the barn over to Jakes Branch road & ride up & down those big hills. It would have been a good place to square a horse up (going up hill). Or loosen one up (going down hill). Frank Jakes or Jacobs & his son Mitchell lived at the end of the road & maybe Steves big farm bordered it.
Mr Jacobs had a gate across the road before you got to his house. He would put a baseball size rock on the road, up against the gate, so that if anyone opened the gate, the rock would be moved & he would know that the gate had been opened & he had company or to expect trouble. He couldn't read or write, but he had common sense.
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(Unknown)

I remember that picture of Traveling Man, it was a good one.I think one that will always stand out for me is the one one of Wink and Sensational Shadow that Les Nelson took when SS was a three year old.
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everready

Johnny and i rode horses up and down just about every hill in the Beech Grove area, that was Mr Jacobs and i do remember him.
Everett
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everready

That was a great picture of wink and S.S, I had A GOOD FILLY by Sensational Shadow and out of a Sensational Shadow mare, I let Buddy Kirby show her at the celebration and she was 3rd behind Ebonys Hostess as a three yr. old, I also owned Ebonys Hostess as a 2 yr old ,sold her to Wink Groover and Billy Hale
Everett
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everready

Hey Guys
I was just flipping thru the channels on TV,Those Wonderful Years, songs of the 50,s what great music you could really hear the words of the songs,I am sure glad i can remember those songs. Truly the best time to be a teenager, then flpped on Larwence Welk, O WHAT A GREAT ERA.
Everett

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jwalker

I think Les Nelson was the best there was. He probably photographed twice what everyone else has done. I have a question, when the photo said Action Untouched did that mean nothing was done to the picture?
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everready

Means none of the Leg action both Front and Rear have been retouched, ears yes.
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J441

Saddle Tramp, do you know which walking horse photographer once owned the "Racking Review" newspaper?

And TWH Lady, do you remember Belinda Delashmitt (later Whitten) who was the editor of "The First Five Years"? I wonder how she is doing now?
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J441
To answer your question about the owner of the Racking Horse Review, no I Don't Know. I only keep up with Walking Horses. sorry
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twhlady

Richard:

I knew Ann Yeiser.........editor and owner of the Racking Review. I guess that paper is no longer being published with the virtual 'death' of the Racking Horse as you and I once knew it to be.

Back when Harold Blach and Joe Bright started that registry in about 1970........it had a bright future as another marketplace for the TWH........because the breed was initiated to be a pleasure horse. You remember well all the country-boy type shows where there were many entries and that lasted into Sunday mornings oftentimes. The Racking horse registry gave to these individuals the ability to obtain papers based solely upon the gait.......

As with all enterprises, things took off and it grew and grew.........could have been really productive...but grew faster than anticipated. They were working towards becoming a significant part of the equine world in the deep-south states, simply because they approached a market that was for the large part financially unable to participate in the TWH......much like the spotted horses and the rocky mountain horses........more for pleasure use...

Had these horses remained in the pleasure domain, the racking horse industry would continue to be healthy. Trying to emulate the Tennessee Walking Horse was the downfall..........Many training practices employed were inappropriate and contributed significantly to the problems in the TWH industry.....

When Horse Show Management, the corporation that purchased the registry from Blach/Bright...when this group guided RHBA progress was great and the future was pointed towards great successes. This group owned the large facility in Decatur we all have used for so many years. Blood testing became manditory. The stud books were fazing towards closure, which would have given great credibility to the breed........Joe Spivey and Billy Morgan were significant to this effort as they were a major portion of Horse Show Management. Their strong leadership, coupled with the correct goals they projected for the Racking horse were not appreciated in some corners of the RH industry.

A sell-out to the membership was approached by the membership and was successfully accomplished. When Joe and Billy left, the breed began to die........

Since that time, there has been a continuing demise of the Racking horse industry. The facility is in sad condition, and I think has experienced possible foreclosure. The shows have dwindled in number and now the World Championship is just another horse show. I do truly believe the time for the RH has come and gone.

(I'm sure I will be attacked for my position on this issue.......so be it.....)

Sarah Lynn
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twhlady

Back to the Tennessee Walking Horse.

DAVID MASON IS EXACTLY CORRECT.....lots of lip service and not enough action....good intentions stated and not enough action.....well stated goals and not enough action.......

Now, today, we see more and more tremendous supporters of our breed fazing out of the industry by great reductions in numbers of horses owned and the stated desire to reduce show participation. What does this say?

Divisions in our industry are more clearly defined than ever.

AND WE CONTINUE TO TALK............

I state again.........DAVID MASON IS EXACTLY CORRECT.

While I applaud Wink, he must first be UNDERSTOOD.
Secondly, Wink's goals must be applied before any successes can be met.

Sarah Lynn
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twhlady

Actually, I would rather speak about all the trivia or Mason's possums.

sl
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JS2

Sarah Lynn

I know it has been mentioned before, but thanks so much for starting this forum. It has provided me with some great entertainment and brought back some wonderful memories of horses, people, and places I had not thought about in many years. Of course, it has also made me feel really old!

Thanks so much. You are a terrific lady.
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Saddle Tramp

Do any of yall know who the photographer was that signed his work with W&E (cursive)?He did Steve & Hills Perfection.
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everready

Bill Eaton---William Bill Eaton
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Mason

Thats one of me favorite pictures of all time
Mason
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everready

Mason Thinking of Steve, you know i never seen him wear nothing but jodpher pants and boots, for the younger horse trainers, steve worked every day like that, was the best dressed horse trainer in the business.
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

I have 2 sales catalogs in my collection of memorabilia.One sale was put on by Steve Hill & another was put on by him & Tom Burke.Have yall ever heard of him? This was in the forties. Ps thanks Everette for the William Eaton info.
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J441

Saddle Tramp, sorry, you would have to have been in the glory days of racking to know that Jack Greene was the owner/editor of the Racking Review for several years.

TWH Lady, you are very accurate with the history of the RHBAA and even more on target about its demise. I was at the first RHBAA Celebration in 1972 & got my judges and commissioners licenses in 1980.
I believe the primary draw to the racking horse was the lack of a tail set & action device (other than pads). This made the horse so much easier to work with on a daily basis. As you say, people started making changes and heading down the wrong path. Many decided to just jump the fence and go walking since racking wasn't so simple anymore.
Someone I never cared for was named President (in those days this was not an elected position by the general membership) of the RHBAA in 1997, and I left & founded the IRHOEA (International Racking Horse Owners and Exhibitors Association). The following year I turned ownership of the IRHOEA over to the general membership. The association had about $5,000 in the bank and no debt. A year later I left racking altogether. It had always been good to me, but my first and primary equine love had always been the TWH. The IRHOEA folded a year or two later, then Joe Lane started his association. This is my fourth year as a licensed NHSC judge (AAPEV).
I believe the racking horse could still be popular today if the venue was exactly like the days when Bright & Blach ran it, but I do not see an association heading in that direction. Personally, I just want to see our people get their heads straight & move forward.
I agree....let's get back to the history and trivia. Thanks again for starting this very successful thread!
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everready

Talking about horses making a great entrance into the celebration, Do you all remember i think it was in the mid 70's Bob Cherry come thru the gait on High Chaperell, was the Best horse i ever seen come thru the gaits,Running walk down the front Grandstand, was stepping higher and sitting lower than any horse before or since. Then he come thru the far turn and stopped , and waited for the rest of the class to come in. Then the class started and you COULD NOT FIND HIGH CHAPERELL IN THE CLASS.I never seen a horse do so much one pass then could not step over a corn cob for the rest of the class.But made ONE AMAZING PASS.
EVERETT
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Everette
Were you the other trainer that showed The High Chappereli or was it Bob Cooley? What was Chapperell by? He must have ran out of gas while he was sitting there idling. Les Nelson also shot & retouched a good picture of Bob Cherry & Hills Go Boy.
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everready

No i never had him, Bob Cooley might of had him before Cherry, I dont know what happened to him that night,but for that first lap he was something else, I dont remember how he was bred.That was a great picture of Hill's Go Boy.
Everett
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makethecut

I think that The High Chapperall was by Sundust.
Didn't Neil Robinson have him at one time also?
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J441

Neal did have HC and made some great Celebration entrances on him as well. Everette, do you remember Bob Cherry's entrance at a flatwalk on Comin Yonder? That was the most awesome flatwalk I have ever seen, at least for about half the ring.
I also remember Bob on Tiger Bay & Tiger Lilly. And didn't he show Little Texas?
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Saddle Tramp

I believe Little Texas was ridden by Bob Cooley. Do yall remember Alton & Wayne Pierce & Star Of Midnight Sun in the big stake. How about Sarah Joe Green on a Bay horse in the amatuer class(a Spur horse I think).
Delights Magic Bay & Jack Johnson & Huck Moss & Silver Shadows Replica.
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J441
Comin Yonder did in the flat walk as HC did in the running walk, I was going to ask Bob C about those 2 horses and never did, I do remember now neil showing Hc.Was it Bob Cooley or Bob Cherry on Tiger B , Tiger L and Little Texas
Everett
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BUBBADOG

Saddletramp = thanks for the mention of Silver Shadow's Replica - I have a lot of great memories of that little horse - he could get a crowd behind him & in that big ring too - he was a cute little booger & fun to ride - and he had a beautiful canter - his halter is hanging on the wall beside my bed. He wasn't the best horse I ever rode, but by cracky he was a show horse when he was all dressed up! Fast too - one time my daddy told me he didn't think that Willie Shoemaker could have caught us!
Hey Make the Cut - I think you're right about Chapparel being by Sundust.
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everready

Saddletramp
I do remember all those horses and riders, and were friends of all of them,Junior has passed on but the rest of the guys are still around, that was sure the GOOD OL DAYS.
Everett
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everready

Cissy
I always liked S.S.R.He was a showing little son of a gun
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

BubbaDog
You wouldn't be ole Huck would you or are you one of old Replica's amatuer riders?
Did yall hear that Bill Sledges wife died lately, here in Manchester Tn. where its about 10 degrees & the wind blowing a little. How about Bill on Merry boys Secret, The Super Sport & Little Billy on Setting Suns Delight.
Neil Robinson died (in the last yr or 2 I think) he showed a horse named Paul Newman (Cool Hand Luke).

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(Unknown)

Sarah Jo's horse was Clown's Spur. I remember all of those horses, and they were all great show horses. I remember Star Of Midnight Sun and Junior Pierce winning the four year old class at the Fun Show. Probably the best flat walk I ever saw on a horse.
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J441

I also loved the flatwalk on Jane's Spirit. Probably the best all around horse I ever saw before Ritz.
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jwalker

What ever happened to Delight's Magic Bay? I never saw him at stud or anything. Last time I remember he was shown by Joe Webb. Delight's Magic Bay just couldn't Canter.
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Saddle Tramp

Mrs Green really put on a show one yr with that Clowns Spur horse.Thanks for putting a name on him Moonglow.
Janes Spirit was a goodun. to bad he died after Doug Wolaver won the 4 yr old WGC with him. Him & Go Boys Chatterbox were probably the best 2 horses that Dr. Sexton owned.(Royalaire, Handshakers Delight, Black Label, Ebony Angel & maybe Lady Kim)
What past show horse do yall think went thru the most barns & had the most trainers?
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(Unknown)

Dr. Sexton said that Go Boy's Chatterbox was the best one he ever owned. I remember a picture in the Voice with Doug Wolaver beside Jane's Spirit, and Spirit looked like he was 17 hands tall.
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J441

I remember some of those old showdowns between Chatterbox, Ace's Sensation, and Warlock.
Warlock & Ace put on a real show one very cold night at Ellington Agricultural Center.
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twhlady

Guess it is my bad memory again, but I thought Dude or Jack Johnson rode Delight's Magic Bay....really believe it was Jack for Link Spainhour from N. Wilkesboro, NC.

And that cold night at Ellington Center, I think Wink actually had some sort of an overcoat on when he won on Ace. We were all so cold we thought a blizzard was coming....and fires were started in trash cans for warmth....I also remember the year the snow fell in Montgomery and the wind whipping down through the barns was freezing both us and the horses.

Remember Doc 'buying' Ace? Someone other than I will have to tell that story........... Candace does not ride anymore. Stuart has Sally Hills here in Fayetteville now. I think he is the only one of the Williams / Sexton families still involved. Doc used to love to tell the story about Candace writing him a letter asking for a horse.........just wanted a pleasure horse....and they had numbers of great ones.

I think the very first horse Candace rode was Caroline's Caroline. She and Margaret Hubbard rode out of the same stables when they both first began......right here in Fayetteville. Charlie Warren and Dr. Raymond Renfrow were also customers at the same training facility. You will remember Ebony Rose as one of the Warren horses and Miss Sundown R. was one of the Renfrow horses....both champion mares I think. This was over forty years ago........

Don Paschal trained the Williams / Sexton horses in TN and Charlie Warren and Raymond Renfrow both moved to TN when Charlie Bobo moved from Thomasville to Shelbyville.

Sarah Lynn
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everready

Sara
My second training training job was for Dr Renfrow, when Kenneth Burk was training for Sall Hill Farms in Fayetteville,N.C.
Everett
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C. Biscuit

The entrance of High Chapparal was without a doubt the best pass I ever saw a walking horse make. I seemed to defy laws of gravity. I think Chatterbox was the best horse the Williams Family owned. Wonder why he and Royal Heir didn't make breeding horses. I once saw Chatterbox breaking over the rail and hit a bold buggy trot for about 10 strides and then get back in gear.
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Saddle Tramp

This is very good dialogue, lets keep it up, very enjoyable.
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(Unknown)

Jack Johnson did show Magic Bay before Joe Webb.
The cold night at Ellington Ag Center that I remember was the Trainers Show there in 72.Wink won on Ebony's Black Market,and I think maybe he was wearing a coat. It was so cold everyone was building fires in the trash cans around the ring.There was a four horse workout between Black Market,Pruett's Jet Parader and Marvin Wilson,Ebony's Countdown and Carlton Pitts and a horse with Joe Houk riding,Reflection's Shadow maybe.Anyway Black Market had a come up gear out of this world. I don't know if he was ever that good again.
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twhlady

Moonglow:

Do you remember Harold and Beverly McIver? I think they once owned Black Market........probably when Wink was riding him. Much like the Rollins family, they had a family tragedy......very sad.

In later years Tommy Kerkeles owned Black Market too...

Everett:

I had no idea you once trained here in my hometown. That was soon after Sally Hills was established in Fayetteville.......when Kenny Burke trained for Doc and Miss Katherine. I guess you also remember Dr. Hewett. Some of the acreage of the farm has been sold......and as with all 'progress'(?) there is a subdivision on what once was the back side of the farm. Otherwise, the place remains basically the same. Col. Baldwin still manages the farm for Stuart....and has taken care of the place for well over 40 years.

I remember your being in Bahama (Durham), NC and working for Peggy Holloway........just did not know you ever worked for Doc..

Someone mentioned Chatterbox.......he stood at stud here for a few years, I think. Of course, by that time we lived in AL, therefore I do not remember much about his retirement and service years.

Wasn't Vandy Starnes the rider for Chatterbox before Candace?

None of you have responded to my question about Doc buying Ace's Sensation.........an extremely short ownership.........Wish you would clear up my fuzzy memory on that one....The reason I remember this was because Doc asked me to count the money.....a very large manilla envelope filled with hundred dollar bills...........Never understood what happened with all those negotiations.

Sarah Lynn
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twhlady

Speaking about High Chapparal, C. Biscuit........and I really wish Bob Cherry would intervene in this conversation....I remember that horse well. Soon after the Garrick Utley smear on network TV, Dr. Boshell managed to obtain television time with the AL affiliate for the network, CBS I believe......and we produced a beautiful 30 minute program featuring lots of nice horses that was aired several times in Alabama and even into Mississippi. Bob brought High Chapparal to participate in the program, and the owner whose name I cannot remember was also present. Other horses featured were Carlton riding Ebony's Countdown and Marianne and JT brought a couple of Edward Broughton's winners....Seems like Charlie Bobo brought some too. All in all we presented about ten really nice championship type horses for the viewing public to see and understand.

I remember Dr. Stringfellow wanted a copy of the film because he owned Countdown at that time. Bob Jennings narrated the film.......he just talked about our great horse as if he were having a friendly conversation with close friends.......not at all like a staged production.....telling much information about our breed, and mentioning interesting background information about not only the horses, but the people who owned them. We really had a great time doing that production.....and I must admit, it was really an excellent presentation of our breed. Bob told lots of the history in his narrative.....which acually ended up being more like a friendly parlor chat among friends. Bob had a talent for that type presentation.

Someone asked about horses moving from trainer to trainer.......Dr. Bo's horses moved around a lot. I once told him that all of his were 'broke to haul.' On another day I will tell all of you about Dr. Bo's last time spent with the Tennessee Walking Horse....because this is so sad, I will not speak of it today....as I would flood my keyboard with tears....

Sorry folks......once again I have become lost in the past and gotten extremely long-winded. I'll shut up now......don't mean to dominate this chat. You must forgive me for being so focused on the past. I guess that comes with age.

Sarah Lynn
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(Unknown)

Twhlady, Yes I do remember the McIvers. They owned Black Market with Tommy Kerkeles when he showed at the Celebration in 72 and tied third behind Handshaker's Delight and Bumin Around.I also remember that Black Market was previously owned by Billy Hale, who reportedly sold him $100,001, topping the price he got for Ace a few years earlier.
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BUBBADOG

Saddletramp - nope - I'm not Huck - but he was the first person to ever train my horses & ME! I had many good years with Huck and the Mosses - it was my second home. I remember very well Bill on Merry Boy's Secret battling it out with Huck on Go Boy's Sunday Best every Saturday night in Ga & SC - that was quite a heated rivalry. I did not know that Jane Sledge had passed - I'm very sorry to hear this - Bill and Jane were always very good to me.
Saddletramp - are you from Ga or SC?
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tgky

Does anyone know anything about Prides Grand Finale before he was WGC Pony? I always loved to watch that little horse, but don't know much about where he came from.
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everready

Sara
I worked for Dr Renfrow in 64,Dude Crowder was training in Bethel N.C.,and called said he was leaving , ask if i wanted that job,it payed more money so we moved to Bethel,thats where our Daughter was borned in 1965.I thought the world of Doc and Mrs renfrow and ray. I saw Ray at the celebration about 10 yrs ago.
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

BubbaDawg
Then are you Cissy B---?
I was born outside of Boaz Al.(Kilpatrick) in 1949 & we moved to Manchester Tn in 1950 & I've
been here ever since. I have never owned or trained a TWH showhorse but have only trail ridden & paraded wagon horses. But I have attended the celebration since 1967 & all of the local one nighters in this area. I have collected & dealt in memorobila for over 20 yrs. I have talked & dealt with many of the older & knowlegable trainers, owners & exibitors in the industry. I have sent old literature all over the country & to some foreign countries.Maybe you have bought something from me at the Wiser or Murray farm sale. I might have as good a collection of books, magazines & papers as can be found.
Bud Seaton started Go Boys Chatterbox, then
Wallace Brandon had him in Texas for Shirley Sharpe.
Buddy Moore sold Ebonys Black Market to S.W.B.
Benny Beard of Troy Al. owned BLK MKT at death.
I never heard about Sextons owning ACE.
Joe Webb told me that he put Delights Magic Bay Boy(reg name) on his big Training Machine (treadmill) backwards one time, he didn't explain why or results.
He said Mark got his headshake on that rig.
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makethecut

Little Texas was shown by Bob Cherry.
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everready

Saddle Tramp
Do you have any copies of the Sunday Journal,that was what the paper was called before it became Walking Horse Report.
Everett
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(Unknown)

make,Little Texas was shown by Bob Cooley.
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Saddle Tramp

EverReady
I might have 1 or 2 but thats not one of the items that I have collected. I know that Jim Dixon printed it & that it was newspaper format. I have all of the celebration issues of the Report. All of the following,Blue Ribbon yr books, Jimmy Joe Murrays Tennessee Walking Horse (29 total), Stud Books (10),
Joe Webbs 3 books, Bob Womacks 3 books, Ben Greens book,Pop Geers book, Amos Faw book, Celebration winners blue book, all Voice but about 8 magazines, all programs but about 6, 1 yr ea National Horseman back to 1938 & many Murray Farm sale catalogs including 2 of the first ones from 1938. In this are adds for Merry Boy & Last Chance standing for $10 ea and they would haul them to the mare for 10 cents per mile & only charge one direction.Plus I have some old registration papers & movies.
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J441

I have always found Saddle Tramp's goods to be exactly like he describes them. If he says it looks like it has been in a magazine rack too long, that's what you get. If he says it looks like it just arrived in the mailbox this morning, you'll get that too.
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Saddle Tramp

J441
Thanks for the compliment, but I'm not trying to sell the things that I listed, that plus some other stuff is my own personal collection. Although I do have a few duplicates. I guess that I was just giving my sources on how that I know some of the things that I know. I will try not to use this Thread for my own personal gain. I really do enjoy talking about the things that I have seen at shows & read in the literature.
Do any of yall remember the Tullahoma, Tn show in mid August of 1965. My brother & I were there & nearly froze to death. Buddy Moore led a bunch of colts for Cashion Farms that night & coach Carden made (literally) Vic Thompson move his Motor Home off of the baseball Outfield. Vic tried to bluff the coach down, but there ain't no bluff in coach Carden. This show was 2 wks before celebration & on the baseball field but hasn't been held for a long time. Barney Welch was the show chairman. One other thing that I remember was, I noticed a mother who won alot leading in the lead line classes back then, she didn't let the vehicle stop rolling good before she hunted up the show chairman & greeted him & guess who won the class that night. Have things changed any in 40 plus years?
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ballen

do you know any of the Allen's that live in the Manchester Summitville area?

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everready

Saddle Tramp
I am looking for a Sunday Journal that has Travelin MAN on the BACK page.
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

Ballen,

How about Tommy, Donnie, John and several other brothers and sisters? My brother-in-law's late brother was married to Wanda.
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Saddle Tramp

I'll keep that in mind and keep my eyes open.
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threat

I don't know about the pads, but Millard Wilson, a shoer in TN invented the long nail so the pads could be built up and stay on. He taught me to ride saddle breds.
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makethecut

Moonglow,
Where was Bob Cooley from? The only Bob Cooley that I can remember was an amateur from Illinois. His wifes name was Gloria and they showed out of Wallace Brandon's barn
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broomman

I enjoyed reading about your collection. I also have a collection I would like tell you about.

Go to my web site: www.hensonbrooms.com and sign the guestbook so I can email a reply and ask you some questions.

I was born in 1949 and my first Celebration was 1967.
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howarddavidl

Bob Cooley was a horse trainer in Madisonville, Tennessee (East Tennessee). His principal owner was a lawyer named J. D. Lee.
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(Unknown)

Make,Looks like you already got your answer. I believe Little Texas was owned by Mr. Renfro from Knoxville.LT was a heck of a horse, didn't do anything big, but was a walking machine.
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threat

I also remember the Shuptrines in Selma. There was so much horse activity in Selma and wonderful shows. Did you know th Heinz-Ulma and Carolyn?I was showing gaited and my father, Dr. Samford, was showing walking. I showed racking and now show walking. Fun remembering. Mickey Groom
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(Unknown)

Did Dr. Samford show a horse named National Anthem?
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twhlady

Mickey........welcome to our little group of memories.

You will be an added wealth of information. I remember well your family......mainstays in education, insurance etc. in the Alabama economy.....And I especially remember you and your brother (Frank, Jr. I think) He came out to the farm outside Birmingham and play tennis quite often....as I remember he was pretty good playing tennis........but definitely not a horseman as you and Dr. Samford were.......

I can remember many totally deserving winning rides you have made through the years on countless horses in various disciplines. Quite a notable equestrienne you are.

I am sure you remember Celia Shuptrine Allison and all the other great Dallas County, AL horse people. I have lost touch with the daughters Fontaine and Olivia. Wonder where they are now?

In addition to the Samford and Allison families and the Ellises, we must remember Claude Shaw.......a mainstay for the TWH in AL for many years........He had horses that included the "Cotton" and the "Clown" names that remind you of all the old-time breeding so prevalent in the Deep South.......

Remember the Coleman family from Greensboro, AL?Priscilla should enter into this conversation because her daddy Herschel Talley rode many, many winners for the Coleman family.........

Remember all the feasts we used to have at our barn when all of you came to ride, swap horse stories and eat? I really have missed the great fun we had for so long.

Sarah Lynn
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BUBBADOG

I am so glad that someone could let MaketheCut know about the Cooleys - he was fixin to have a conniption fit cause he didn't know something.
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twhlady

Cissy, he remembers horses better than people.

Tony......Pride's Good Buddy. Now you can remember.

hugs to both of you,

sl
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BUBBADOG

Hey sl - I know that's the truth - now I can't remember - who had Good Buddy later on?
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MarkD1

He was in the Murfreesboro crowd later in his life, being shown first by Newton Parks (I believe) and later owned and shown by the Bubba Dempsey Family (for sure).

MWD
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BUBBADOG

Mark - Ramsey Bullington had him - right?
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twhlady

W H A T E V E R H A P P E N E D T O M A S O N ??

sl
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twhlady

We are all going to miss Bull as a regular in so many classes. I just cannot imagine a show without all his great ones........he could wear out the best of 'em. I remember last year at the show we did in Wartrace... I was working the horse gate to personally thank all the guys for participating in our show.....and when I saw Ramsey sitting in the line...I made a mental note to check the entry office so I would not miss seeing him compete.........

What I always think of when thinking about a Ramsey horse is: perfect precision, beautiful timing, lotta walk........and excellent horsemanship.....and always plenty o' come up........

sl
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J441

Hey Threat, who rode the entry that threw the first shoe in the new (current) Celebration arena?
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threat

How did you know? I rode in the 3 gaited class at the celebration and threw the first shoe in the 'new celebration arena". The horse was Genius Favorite.
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MarkD1

Yes, that was while Bull was still in Murfreesboro and all the Parks/Dempsey horses were there then.
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JS2

J441
One of the stallions at Heritage was Pride's Peddler and the other one was Tramp but I can't remember his registered name. It will come to me......
Delight's Tramp?
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(Unknown)

Tramp was a full brother to Bumin Around.
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Saddle Tramp

MoonGlow66
Delights Tramp looked good from the side, but he crossed real bad in front.

All the ABOVE
I remember an older sandy haired lady, that would come to the barn office, 30 or 40 yrs ago.She had really bad bowed legs, like she lived in a saddle, she might have even been a saddle bred person.She wasn't very tall either. Could someone put a name on her for me.
Does anyone remember Roy Starkeys Dalmation dog that wondered around the barn office.
Do yall remember the water fountain at the barn office that was attached to a barrel that had a copper coil in it & they filled the barrel with water & ice. Sometimes the water in the barrel would get real nasty & someone would walk up & you could hear, I wouln't drink that water if I was dying of thirst! I saw a man lead a blue roan Russian Wolf Hound up to that barrel & he drank out of it standing flat footed.
Would any of yall have known a real character from Montgomery, named Dennis Painter or his sidekick Martinez? David Mason has probally gone to Lexington to buy back into the show horse business!!!!!
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everready

Saddle Tramp
I do remember Roys dog and drank out of that barrel many of times, but the good part about that barrel was the water came thru those copper pies was coming from a water spkit, the ice and water in the barrrel was just to keep the fresh water cold,but sometimes it didn't look to clean.
Everett

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everready

Do you all remember Sir Winstons Riot & Missy Cool: I think one of the best Juv. horses in the late 70's.
I had the pleasure of training him for Missy, sounds like i am bragging ,but i'am not he was one of the most natureal walking horses i ever put a leg across.and one of the easiest horses to canter,BUT sometimes she had trouble with the canter, it did cost her 2 WGC Ships. But i still say they all need to canter
Everett
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J441

Yep, Delight's Tramp. Like Saddle Tramp said, he crossed in front. I have never seen a horse cross to the extent Tramp did. You could watch him going up the rail from behind and see the fore leg cross to the opposite side of the horse & set down completely out of the path of the hind legs. How he could do this without tripping himself I never knew.

Saddle Tramp, do you remember my old friend Ernest Starnes? And his (I believe) son in law Billy Finney (sp?)?

Threat, you know me, just not by the screen name. We have been friends for quite some time, and I have had the pleasure of judging your entries on many occasions. This is a great thread; hope to hear more from you!

Richard Hickey
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(Unknown)

Speaking of Delight's Tramp, I think I heard once that he was the horse responsible for three year olds not having to canter. He couldn't canter when he was three and his owner had enough clout to get the job done. I don't know if its true, but it was told.
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sable812

I think I remember that about Tramp too. It shows our age.
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everready

I went to Billy's barn in the fall when he was breaking Tramp, if he hadn't been Bum's full brother Gray would have put him in the back barn . He was Big and Pretty but could not pace a lick, Billy hand made that dude, that just shows you how GOOD of a horse trainer Billy Gray really is.
Everett
PS
One of Billys grooms drove him to a cart hundreds and hundreds of miles.And finally got him to pace enough, then billy took him and put his TOUCH on him.
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J441

Funny thing; I had several Tramp colts. I don't recall a one that crossed up front.
Come to thik of it, I never had one that stepped high enough to cross either.
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everready

J441
Read the post right above yours and that will explain that.
Everett
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J441

Ha! I do understand!
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(Unknown)

I looked Tramp up in an old Voice and when he was three he was owned by Beech and Hale. I would imagine if anyone had the clout, that team would.
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Saddle Tramp

J441
Yes I do remember Ernest Starnes, He lived just off main st in Decherd (deckerd) Franklin co Tn.At one time he backed Doug Reed a horse dealer from Manchester Tn, as you well know.Doug must have respected him as a father figure, because he didn't start going down hill til after Ernest had died.I know that your Dad partnered with Doug some also & was a good influence.
I remember a yr or 2 after Bum won the celebration, my wife & I went by the Sale of champions on stake sat afternoon before the show & saw a Bum coming 2 yr old that RB & Doug had just bought. They told me how much they wanted for it, but I didn't buy it at the time.
Later that night we went by yall's box & I told RB that I would take it. We went out to Dougs, after Church the next morning & Steve Hill was out there. Doug hadn't talked to your Dad yet, so he had sold the Bum colt to him. When I told Doug about the deal with RB, He said that I could still have the colt if I still wanted it. My wife wanted me to take it.Steve Hill tried to sweet talk me into letting him have it. I told Doug The price I offered RB & asked him if Steve offered more & he said yes. Doug Reed & your dad had been good to me & I owed Doug some past favors, so I didn't take the colt. Ive always wondered how much Steve made on that horse. I remember RB Doug & Ernest would sometimes buy 100 or more horses at the Sale of champions & the Murray Farm Sale. They would sell them to Steve, Vic, etc. Do you think they ever handled a future WGC?
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Saddle Tramp

Doug Reed could get on a road horse bareback with just a halter and could make him hit a saddle lick.
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Saddle Tramp

The Pusher's maternal granddaddy was Go Boy's Flying Cloud. Charles Gavin's kids sold The Pusher in the warm-up ring for $650 because they couldn't get a trainer to take him, because of his color & breeding.
Gavin told me that some well known big time trainers had turned him down.

Who showed 'Happy Hollow Curious' a couple of times in the under 15-2 class? (a walking little machine)

Who showed "Sowega's Big Man" as a 2 & 3 yr. old?

Who brought The Rabbit & out ran everything one night in the running walk? (his nickname rymes with his wifes first name)
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everready

Speaking of Tramp, Benny Johnson, Joe Hauk and myself went by gray's barn in Dec. when he was coming a 2yr old,remember i had went to gray's in sept. to see him and thats when all the Trotting thing was going on with him. You would not believe it was the same colt, that day Tramp was as good of a colt that you ever saw, i told benny and joe before we got to grays we were wasting our time, what a surprise.
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

everready
I think, You said you live in Tampa. Did yall get any of the bad storms? I hope not.
I remember when Billy Gray came on the scene around here. He had some of the biggest front ends on horses, that I had ever seen. He had Bum & a black stud pony for Patty Dismukes of Murfreesboro. Both animals ended up winning their WGC'S. He must have had a secret that no one else knew about.

I'm not trying to hog the thread, I've got a bad head cold & am bored, here at home & not able to go outside.
Wouldn't mind reading someone elses thoughts & comments.
By the way, this chat line reminds me of the old party lines of Ma Bell.
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everready

Saddle Tramp
No thank God it missed us, it hit a couple of countys east of us, it was really bad.Billy Gray i think was and is as good of horse trainer in his era, best hands in the business,I do remember pattys pony just cant remember his name.
Everett
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makethecut

Was Patty Dismukes pony's name Black Masterpiece, later shown by Tim Gray.
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Saddle Tramp

Was Patty Dismukes pony's name Black Masterpiece, later shown by Tim Gray.
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everready

That would have been Ralph Hensley
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(Unknown)

Sammy Day showed Happy Hollow Curious in the big stake one year and tied pretty high, maybe fourth or fifth.
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Saddle Tramp

everready
correct

moonglow66
correct
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BUBBADOG

So glad that MaketheCut has come back to life - speaking of "crossing" - didn't old Bum do a little of that himself?
And Happy Hollow Curious - that was one walking little coonfooted pony!
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(Unknown)

I think the Edwards had Sowega's Big Man.
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BUBBADOG

Moonglow - I think that you are right - the Edwards did have Sowega's Big Man.
Anybody remember Debbie Felt's (Gilmore) & Confederate Raider? Who trained him?
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graymare

I'm pretty sure Vic had Confederate Raider for a while. I don't know if he was exactly walking or not, but Lord his head was in the clouds and he was flying!! He could surely get a crowd excited.
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Saddle Tramp

The Edwards did have Sowega's Big Man & reckon why he disappeared after becoming an aged horse.
Vic did have Confederate Raider & I'm pretty shure that Shirley Schlieser showed him amatuer.
Speaking of coonfooted, was The Sound of Fury "foundered" & was Johny Midnight Heevie?

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BUBBADOG

Yep Vic did have Confederate Raider - & Shirley did show him before Debbie - & I agree - I'm not sure what he was doing but it was fast & his head was way up there -
What did happen to Sowega's Big Man? I'm not sure about Sound of Fury or Johnny Midnight - but I think that I remember hearing that Triple Threat was club footed.
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Saddle Tramp

Would this be the best situation, club footed in front & coon footed behind or just have a normal horse?
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everready

Saddle Tramp
Normal of course and Johnny Midnite was a Cribber(Sucks on Wood)
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Saddle Tramp

Everready
Stump sucker huh! I've just come back from Bellbuckle & went to 2 antique shops & couldn't find any Sunday Journals. Are you the one That asked about the Allen family from Summitville? If so did any of those that I named, ring a bell. Did you know Barney Gordon from Beech Grove. I worked with him for a while in 67 at a storm door factory in Manchester.
Our house is built on the John A. Hendrixson farm in the fairgrounds area. He raised GOLDFINGER here. He also owned & broke MIDNIGHT SUN. He & French Brantley were partners on him when he sold to Harlinsdale.
I can't figure why Fred Walker showed Midnight Sun because Harlin Hayes was the Harlinsdale trainer.Have you seen Doc Womacks movie & the pitiful way Suns tail looked in it.
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Jimr

I worked for Vic Thompson in 1964. John Trice and I had the pleasure of working Confederate Raider. He couldn't flat walk much, but when you let him do his thing he was sure an exciting horse to watch and ride. He had a big heart, loved to work, and what a front end!
Shirley Schleicher won the amatuer gelding class with him at the Celebration that year. Right now I can't remember who he was by, but I once saw his papers and there were several American Saddlebreds on them. I'll never forget 'Tuffy' as he was known around the barn. He was a one of a kind horse from a different era.
Jim
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everready

Saddle Tramp
I was borned on French Brantleys farm, My dad worked for him. I have a picture of me sitting at 4 yrs. old on Brantleys Roan Allen Jr in front of the barn that still standing, the house i was borned in is still standing also, the little house right below the barn.I do remember Barney Gordon,It wasn't me asking about the allen family.If you ever run across the sunday journal i was asking about please let me know.
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

EverReady
There is still a house on the Beechgrove side of Brantleys. There is a little store building on the Noah side. Can you remember it being open? Can you remember 41 Hwy running by Brantleys? Jr. looked like a big boned horse in the pictures. He won the first 3 or 4 Get classes at the Celebration. My wife & I stopped to see Charles & Nellie about 2 wks ago, but they were getting ready to go to the PWHAT banquet, they asked us to come back later. About 3 or 4 yrs ago he & I rode around in his truck with me driving & he showed me where all of the old studs stood & were born. Wilson Allen (at Bart Jernigans place) of course Merry Go Boy, F1 & F38 at his place, Merry Boy, Wilsons Flight Allen, Merry Maker & Hunters Allen F10 (if its the correct place, can be seen from I-24). A friend of mine (Wayne Clouse) has a cassette tape of French, explaining the same things for him.Did you ever have Oscar or Wayne Clouse for Teachers?

My wife just showed me some mags for sale on ebay & I think one is a NATL hosman with you on the front cover.
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everready

Saddle Tramp
The house on the Beech Grove side is where i was borned, that little store building was used as a shop and older black gentelman lived there, i cant remember his name.When you see Charlie tell him Everett Majors said hello, my dad was Oscar Majors he worked for the brantleys, My dad's brothers boy worked for Charlie until he died a few yrs. ago, is name was Henry Majors.I do remember the National Horsman , what was the horse's name. I cant remember about the Close's .That house and barn was sitting on Hwy 41a before they built the new road around it.
Everett
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J441

JimR, do you remember Donny Grant?
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Jimr

J441, I'm afraid I don't. Maybe if you'll refresh my memory I will.
Jim
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Saddle Tramp

Everready
I couldn't see the horses name on the magazine but will try to find out. I just talked to a former co-worker of yours at Steves barn & he told me a pitiful story about a young man that walked all the way from Bellbuckle to Beechgrove (7 or 8 miles) & Frank Adair his boss, sent him back home for being late to work.Who was this young man & who told me this story?This is not a funny story in my opinion, because I have had similar experiences, but not as bad.
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everready

Saddle Tramp
That was probably me, and Johnny Brown told you, that taught me a lesson, i was never late again. That is why i was never late from that day and up to the present day.I will tell you another little ditty about me and mr. Frank, I was relieveing myself one day standing in the back of his crosstie area, he snatched me out and took me over to the OLD barn where my Dad was working, and needless to say i NEVER did that again.
Everett
Steve bought me a car after that, to drive back and forth to work, i can remember that like it was yestarday, it was a black Hudson.
My God that was 50 years ago, Can't believe i am that old.
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Michael J

I've read on here about some other books besides Womack's Echos of Hoobeats, and some films. Does anyone have copies for sale or know where they can be found or borrowed? What are the titles & authors that I could search for them by? Thanks!
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(Unknown)

I think Walking Horse Supply still sells Echo Of Hoofbeats. The Biography Of The Tennessee Walking Horse by Ben Green can sometimes be found on e bay.
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Saddle Tramp

Michael J.
Are you trying to catch up on History of the TWH, or learn about training techniques?

For History, Ben Greens Biography of the TWH
Bob Womacks 3 Echo of Hoofbeats &
movie A Look Into The Past (MTSU Horse Dept)

For Training, Joe Webbs 3 books(Performance)
Vickie Mazzola Presleys (Plantation)
Dianne Gueck has a series of movies

For Bloodlines of foundation horses, the breeders assoc. printed 9 hardback studbooks in the 30's & 40's, which I have an extra set.

Most of all the above can be found at different times on ebay at auction or buy now prices.

Shelbyvilles library has all of the old Blue Ribbon YR Books of the Celebration. They are in the office, but you can sit at a table & read them while there.
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Michael J

I'm a looking for anything I have "Echo", but what like to read the other books people always reference.
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Saddle Tramp

Question
What do these 4 horses have in common?
Suns Hero, Johny Midnight, Midnight Imp & Suns Delight
(not looking for Midnight Sun as sire)
Who bred & raised these animals?
Who started them under saddle?
Which one ended up World Grand Champion?
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everready

Didn't Sam Pascal have all four of these horses at one time or the other. Sun Delight was WGC.
Everett
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(Unknown)

They were all full brothers raised by Audie Dean. I think they were all started by Shorty Branscom.
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Saddle Tramp

ANSWER
They were all out of the same mare.
Neal "Shorty" Branscum started them.
I know that Sam had Delight & Johny. In the 66 Blue Ribbon Hero is standing at the Clark farm in Arab Al.
Imp disapeared from the scene shortly after becoming an aged horse. Shorty later worked for Pete Anderson in Manchester & won the 2 yr old filly class at the cele with Johny's Little Mystery for a Mr Brown out of Ga. Then he died rather young. He started the brothers at the Arnold farm in Winchester.
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everready

Saddle Tramp
I knew Sam had Suns Delight and Jonny,i was just guessing on the other two,I saw Shorty show Suns Delight as a 3 yr. old in Calhoun Ga. he was the BEST HORSE that night i EVER saw period.
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Saddle Tramp

Everready
I never saw Delight under saddle, but have heard others say how good he was. I saw him standing in a stable at Paradise Ranch when Dr Johnson owned him. I saw Johny & Imp and thought they were pretty good.
The best horses I've ever seen were Pusher, OOPS, Prides Secret Threat, Super Stock, Mikes Mighty Delight, Night Prowler, Reve, Mud Slide Slim, Shades at 2, Specialist at 4, Rockabye Lady, Janes Spirit at 4 & Ritz at 2 & 3 with Billy in the irons.
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everready

Saddle Tramp
All the horses you mention,are top horses,Sun's Delight
in my opinion,was the Head Shacking, Back leg driving, Flat Walking, Running Walking, Son Of A Gun,you can tell by now i Really liked him,and a awesome canter.
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graymare

Sun's Delight was all SHOW horse. I have never seen a horse work out of his shoulders like he did. And when Mr. Sam had him parked on the grass, he was all business....ears up, head up high, looking like he would jump over the moon at any minute, yet never moving a muscle. And you are so right Everett, he walked all over! He is one of my favorite Championship memories.
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everready

In my opinion Greymare, Ebony crossed with Delight mares were the Best cross in our era. Ebony put size and Delight put the walk in the colts.

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(Unknown)

I think Sun's Delight mares were also the best crosses with Pride. Gold Coin,Royal Master, Delight Of Pride, Pride's Hallelujah and bunch of others were out S D mares.
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everready

Amen to that Moonglow66 about those Delight mares,they could cross with a fence post and have good colts.
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twhlady

In my opinion, Delight bred mares crossed will with both Pride bred and Ebony bred mares. You guys have not even mentioned the Shadow and the Carbon Copy mares. I find this unusual???

Merry Legs, Merry Walker and Delight's Joanna were probably three of the industry's overall top producing mares........History will probably support my theory.

Knowing Mr. A.S. Dean many years ago, and having had the great privilege of discussing many times the great foundation of our TWH gene pool, I learned many fascinating and interesting facts. Those old guys such as Mr. Dean and Mr. Wirt Harlin and Mr. French Brantley knew more about breeding that most of our breeders today can ever hope to learn.

I remember taking a ride with Mr. Wirt Harlin one day..actually the day Dot Warren returned Pride home to Harlinsdale on the Monday morning following his final show ring victory on the previous Saturday night in Columbia at the Spring Jubilee...... I had been asked to cover the homecoming event for the old Sunday Journal Newspaper. Mr. Wirt and I had previously spent many afternoons rocking in his office, watching the mares and foals frolicking in the pastures....talking about the great TWH.....He had great ideas for the future of the breed, and the Harlin contribution to the geneaology of this breed will last for many more decades.

There are many untold and probably untellable stories about this breed we all love so well. With that said, I can assure you all that many of the outstanding old breeders were able to look far into the future while reflecting on the genetic impact from the past to secure for many horse generations to come the genetic propensity of our great breed to transmit the basic and inherent raits and characteristics that would continue to produce the unique gait basic to our breed's popularity. Now all gone, those old breeders had tremendous and unique abilities......that cannot be either recalled or duplicated.........

Sarah Lynn
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Saddle Tramp

To all of Yall
In listing the great ones that I have seen, I left out the Greatest 3 yr old that ever entered the big oval.
His mammies name was Lady Fame and she dropped some more good colts on the ground besides him. How about a WGC plus a pretty popular sorrel breeding horse.
Who can name these 3 horses?
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(Unknown)

She produced Skywatch and Pride's Jubilee Encore. Not sure about the third one.
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Saddle Tramp

Moonglow66
Lady Fame also produced Generators Fame. Jose Jose was also an excellent 3 yr old. I think Shadow or Go Boy won their first WGC at 3.
For truths sake, we can't be to sure about all of these crosses & bloodlines,(before bloodtyping). If my memory serves me correctly, the goal for parentage verifying was 65% at the inception of bloodtyping. I think the actual percent, fell below this. Alot of horses had to be Grandfathered in. Bloodtyping & DNA is one of the greatest things incorporated by the TWHBEA.
In horses, the mare is more important than the stud.
In cattle you need a good bull.
I had rather have a good mare & breed her to the son of a good show horse, than have a common mare & breed her to the good show horse.
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Mason

You are SO right....I remember Vic Thompson telling me one time "Good Horses like good men have GOOD Mothers!"
Its funny everyone that has a mare that doesnt make the grade ALWAYS thinks they can breed her to a WC and MAKE money!!!! HA HA... the JOKES been played out many times
Mason
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(Unknown)

twhlady, I think Merry Walker was hands down the best brood mare ever. She produced two WGCs by two different sires, and produced a mare,Shadow's Sis that produced a WGC.
As much as I think of Sun's Delight mares,Merry Boy has a strong argument for being the top brood mare sire.Six WGCs were out of direct Merry Boy mares, and probably about that may more were out of grandaughters of Merry Boy.
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BUBBADOG

Mason's back - where you been?
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twhlady

Moonglow:

Exactly right..........Merry Walker extablished TWO DYNASTIES for our breed.

Merry Boy figures in strongly...and this (I thik) goes back to Merry Legs......

Herein lies the true aristocracy for the breed to those of us who acknowledge the importance of the mare.

Sarah Lynn
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twhlady

David Mason I wish to give to you my sincere and true condolences for the death in your family. Also, please convey my sadness to all the appropriate family members.

Sarah Lynn
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Mason

Thank you my 92 yr old mother in law passed away last Monday morning...She was very dear to me...like a mother...she had gotten over three cancer ordeals and found out last spring it was back..she decided she would not got through the operations and treatments again..I think a wise decision...she passed away in her sleep...Thank God for ANSWERED prayers!She told us she would see us in Heaven...what a way to go!
Mason
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Big Ed

David Mason got me into reading the trivia. He is correct on who invented the first tail brace. Bob Waggoner was my grandfather. He had a patent pending for seven years and was the improved upon by someone else. He made the first brace out of three heavy wires and wrapped it with friction tape. In the forties I think.He told me that he fashioned it for a mare who had a crooked tail. They used to "ginger" cut tails to make them appear set. As the story goes, Wallace Brandon new of this mare and saw her at a show with a perfect tail, walked over and looked to see how the tail had been corrected. Was impressed and Wallace immediately ask Bob to make him one. So Wallace Brandon was the first horseman to purchase one.
Eddie Long
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BUBBADOG

David - I am so sorry for your loss - what a blessing for her to have gone in her sleep.
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Saddle Tramp

David M.
My Condolences to Your Wife & You & Your Family also.
Thanks also for the comments on my article on brood mares.
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twhlady

IN RESPONSE to whomever wrote the letter to the editor about our trivia conversations......Because I have always been extremely interested in the beautiful and most interesting history about our great breed, I thought others would be the same. Obviously, I was correct.

On this thread we have renewed many friendships and acquaintences......and remembered many events that we have all indexed away in our hearts. Through our conversations many of individual memories have become a point of great interest among us all......and actually a sort of healing and hope for whatever might remain of our industry for future generations. We remember old friends.......great horses......gathering places where we all enjoyed fellowship.......so much..

What has actually happened for me by all our conversation is a great appreciation for the "family" we all still continue to be......the wonderful TWH family.......

We have not discussed to a great extent the current situation we find ourselves. For me, remembering has been a solace and tremendous comfort. By remembering what we have had for so long has given me renewed faith for the future.

We have the true athlete of the equine world, and the most fantastic people are thereby associated.....now, and in all the years that are gone.

Now, with all that said.........I wonder if there exists any way that we might get Mason to carry the flag for us at the spring time Wartrace show? I think this is a fantastic idea.........he now lives in the Wartrace area (just a bit out of town towards Beechgrove), he would not have to be toutored on how to ride........and wouldn't we all just love to see him in the irons again........

Sarah Lynn
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Mason

Wouldnt be interested in carring a flag...thanks anyway...really doubt if I make it down to the Trace fer tha show...havent in yrs but if YA'LL want to drop by the house I'd love to see youn'zes'. I'm SO FAT I couldnt get in the ole suit..Plus I've got this pony tail and it wont fit under a hat!Dont have any riding boots.ALL my neckties are real narrow..NAW yall come on by the house....we'll fix you a Bologna & MUSTARD sandwich,(made with LIGHT bred)an a glass of Iced Tea.....The last time I remember TRYIN to ride I rode that pretty yellow horse Gray had at Sand Creek...I felt like I was falling off....an 11 and under JUV could ride better than I can...FAT & AGE does something to a man!
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pushingrage

Well David Mason in your prime, when you were riding the Super Stock, you were something to behold. I thought you were a very nice looking man and sat a horse as well as anyone. I saw your website and you are not fat and not old looking. You would do the show an honor and many people would love to see you back on one of those great powerful walking horses carrying the flag at Wartrace.
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Mason

Hey did you ever get SICK off your favorite meal...then you didnt want to see it again?Thats the way if feel now about WH shows...MAYBE one day I'll WANT to go again..but right now I get weezy!
Mason
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grits

Mason I was looking at Super Stock on walkers west wow what a horse!!! Was he considered a padded horse if so why did they change from the way they were to the way they look now..
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Mason

We just THOUGHT they were padded back in THE DAY!!!I've seen some pictures of the PADS now..they look like washtubs to me.AND WHY did they go to this????...I GUESS cause they could....NO RULES against it...I'd hate to TRY and explain them to someone who had never seen one of the WH now.Our horses back THEN carried just a bit more pad than saddlebreds did and it was HARD to explain then. TIMES DO CHANGE...I guess STACKS are the IN thing like those bits I saw in the pictures with the LONG SHANKS and RING holes all the way down the shanks...why a man could use 4-5 pair of reins with one of those things..someone tell me what are they for?.....they sure are UGLY.
Mason
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(Unknown)

Mason I agree 100% with your assessment of how some of todays padded horses look. Giant build ups and shanks that look like they are a foot and a half long are the most unnatural looking things in the horse world. John Q Public will never accept this look even if the horse is 100% sound.
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Mason

Moonglow YOU & I are bound to have gone to different schools together when we were kids....we agree on too many topics...EXACTLY
WHO
R
U ?
Mason
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twhlady

(David M....(This is in parentheses in hopes it is perceived as a whisper and no one can hear and no one will tattle on me.) Could you perhaps make some more suggestions of things we should expect to change to better the image of our horse. What would you ask in exchange for a few 'rule-re-writing sessions'? Even though you have been gone for so long, you seem to have a far better grasp on the whole situation than many of our leaders today.)ssssHHHHHHH

sl
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grits

Mason in your opinion do you think if you took a horse of today that had the talent and padded him like in 1977 and trained him the same way you could achieve the same results as you did back then...

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twhlady

Moonglow -

I think we all wish you would come out of the closet and identify yourself. Ya see....we all think we know you......

Also a question for you and everyone else.......is our attitude, perception, frustration level, and the whole way we view this industry because of our age......or what.
Maybe we were just taught a little better? Better examples set for us?

Lots of folks speak of breeding a better horse.............We've spoken on this very conversation line about some of the truly greats that are long gone........and I just cannot think what we see today in many cases can even compare.

I just guess I became accustomed to seeing a long striding back end with a deep headshake and plenty of come-up, and with the staying power and stamina to go the third workout......and cantering too. We seldom see a lot of that anymore.

Digging the hind toes ain't striding, pecking the head ain't a headshake, the come-up gear is about half what it once was...lots give it up before the reverse in the class- forget about the workout.....and also I guess we must forget our horse once cantered......
AND PLEASE DO NOT CRUCIFY ME FOR SAYING THIS.......

Sarah Lynn
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Big Ed

I have known Mason for 30 years. He is honest, decent and extremly humble and modest. Stock was a great horse, one who could do more with less pad and action device. He was the exception to the rule " more is better". Pads have been on horses since at least 1950. Most of the competition for Stock and all through the seventies and eighties wore far more pad than the horses of today. Check out a picture of the 76 Champion, Shades of Carbon. Other than the heel/toe ratio of one inch, there was no limit on the amount of pad a horse could have. In 1988 the HPA was amended to control this and the 50% rule (ie: if the natural toe length was 4", you could have no more than 2" of pad in the toe and the amount of height in the back of the pads was limited by the 1" heel/toe rule)was put into place. 88 is the same time that the 6 oz. action device rule was established. I am not sure if any of this has been redefined as I have been out of the horse business since 97.
Eddie Long
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Mason

GRITS... answer to your QUESTION on the other page
Probably not...All I knew to do was to work em...Id wear ALL the hair off under todays rules
Mason
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scooter

twlady,

Since I have gotten too old to ride I am not around barns like I used to be. But...that doesn't keep me from having opinions about the training of TWH's.

My theory is that the shoes have gotten so extreme in their size (width and length) that they (the shoes) have ruined the things you question, the come up, the endurance, the canter, yes all the above. Mason spoke of the washtub look and I have to totally agree with him. It is hideous. If I were running a marathon I would not want a pair of oversized clodhoppers, would you? Part of the problem probably lies in breeding, but I suspect that a lot of these issues are purely mechanical. I wish someone would prove me right or wrong.

I have said before and I will say again, if we cannot keep the lick without the giant shoes and the chains then we are just expecting too much lick.

I don't want to be crucified either, but we are at THE crossroads of our beloved industry (performance horse). Since the USHS is now involved with the TWHBEA we are about to see more public pressure than we could have ever imagined before. It is eventually going to come down to public opinion. That eventuality is knocking at our door this year. As a group we have continually tried to outwit the USDA, the handwriting is on the wall.
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everready

twhlady (sara lynn)
I also think everyone should post real names, we all know each other anyway, most likely.
Everett Majors
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(Unknown)

Big Ed, As I'm typing this I have in front of me the Celebration issue of the 1976 Voice. There is one page that has all four of the horses that were in the final workout for the WGC that year,Shades,Super Stock,Black Power and Cold Ice.I also have in front of me the Celebration issue of the 2005 Celebration with an action shot of Main Power.Now I will grant you that a couple of the 76 horses may be a little higher in the heel, but the 2005 horse's shoe job is considerably larger than any of the 76 horses.Also,you could take the shanks from any three of the 76 horses,put them end to end, and they wouldn't be as long as the 05 horse's are.
To my recollection, in the 60s and 70s,most horses were shown with 2 or 3 pads and a wedge, at least most of mine were.If they had these gigantic shoe jobs like these horses today have, they wouldn't be able to go three heats like they typically did at the Celebration.
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Big Ed

I think the biggest difference is that the horses of today have much longer shoes, wider, bulkier packages. This is probably being done to make up for other things that may add to overall deliberateness There is not as much emphasis placed on neatness and making the pads fit the horse. The shoe jobs today do look trashy, but so does the lick they have them hitting. I also agree on the bits. To me, if a horse wore anything more than an Eldonian WH 10"shank bit, its ugly and trashy. By the same token, these braces with harness straps over the back look like S---. Eddie
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everready

Thats why most horses can't canter these days,imagine the shape those KNEES would be in ( if you ask most of these horses to canter).Could'nt keep them big feet off-em for sure.
Everett
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Big Ed

Everett, Good to see your name again after all these years. Your right, as always. I had enough knee bangers as it was. Remember what Piper Turner used to say " pads should be just wide enough for a mouse to run around the hoof" Eddie Long
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everready

I do remember piper saying that, good to hear from you too Eddie.
Everett
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scooter

moonglow66

That is also what I remember about pads from the late 50's, 60's and 70's. The pads were trimmed to fit the foot and the shoe had a relationship to the hoof as well. I never heard about the mouse around the edge but shounds about right. These new-fangled farriers don't seem to care if a shoe is 6 sizes too big for the horse.

There are still some folks training that are old enough to remember those farrier jobs of yore. I wish one of those guys would go back to 60's style shoeing just to see if it wouldn't improve stamina, canter, etc.

This all reminds me of the little boy who came home from first grade. His mom asked, "how was school today Johnny?"
"Just fine, we learned all about dinosaurs today."
"You did? That's great."
"Yea Mom, but there is something I was wondering about."
"Really, what Johnny?"
"Were they mean?"
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Big Ed

The industry has certainly been something that most people can say that they are not proud of being a part off. But it certainly exposed me to some wonderful people and some exciting moments. That exposure makes me want it to survive. When I think of the most exciting horses and moments, several come to mind.
WGC-Super Stock
15.2 & under-Reves Little Boy, Mark of Carbon
Pony-Mud Slide Slim
2 year Old- Prides Secret Threat
Jr. Horse-Delights Polecat
Amateur/Ladies - Reflections Unforgetable
The most thrilling Celebration class was the Jr. Stake the year Bobby Fann on Black Diamond and Billy Gray on Secret Threat challenged each other to a duell from opposite ends of the ring. My hair still stands up when I remember that great showmanship and those two horses. Thats when I loved it. Eddie
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twhlady

Here again this will really date me back in time...... but I remember the piece of iron and the forge and the leather and the leather knives.....and how the blacksmiths worked so hard to fit the leather to the foot......and how neat it had to be.........and the cushion for the frog and sole......and how they trimmed so carefully.........

Oh well........as I have said before, maybe this is all progress?

Any of you folks ever go to Millard Wilson's birthday oyster roast?

Sarah Lynn
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(Unknown)

I can remember seeing some folks ride padded horses at field trials in the old days. Also I remember hearing people that went to Joe Webb's riding camp say that he used to let them trail ride his padded horses.Can you imagine one of these padded horses today doing those type of things? I doubt they would last an hour.
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threat

Millard Wilson lived on my father's farm for several years and taught me to ride my saddle bred . He trained the walking and gaited horses there. He also invented the long nail for the first big shoes.
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TSAGER

Eddie,

Are you talking about Eb's Black Diamond? He was my father-in-law's favorite of all time. We still have a mare out of Black Diamond and Another Masterpiece mare that we breed. She is my kind of walking horse. She is stocky and has great confirmation. I don't like the "fine-boned " lean look of many walking horses today.

My wife got me interested in walking horses after we married and my first Celebration was 1998. I am enjoying reading all the comments from "way back when". We saw a video of Another Masterpiece at the Celebration one year. The horses have really changed.

My wife bought her Another Masterpiece mare from Owen Layne back in the early 80's. She said back then, you could touch that mare on the shoulder and she would start to canter.

Tim
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Saddle Tramp

To anyone with old VOICE
I am trying to put together at least one copy of each Voice magazine that has ever been printed. I need the following.

1962 Apr, May, June, July, Aug, Sep, Oct, Nov & Dec.

1963 Jan, Feb, Mar, May, Aug, Sep & Dec.

Oct 1965, Sep 1976, Sep/Oct 1980, Aug 1981, Sep/Oct 82
Apr 1985, Sep/Oct 1986, Apr 1992, May & Aug 1993
Aug 1994

If any of you could help me locate any of these, I would certainly appreciate it.

I really enjoy this thread & all of the discussions.

Do Yall like the new posture the young male Trainers ride with? I'm talking about the leaning forward like their whispering in the Horses ears. Sam Paschal, Charlie BoBO, Carlton Pitts & Joe Webb could show them how to sit a Horse. (They ride like they have a bad case of Hemmoroids.)
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everready

Saddle Tramp
I have a bad back and it makes my back hurt to watch some of these TRAINERS ride today. Back when i was training we had a few like that then, but not many.If i was a OWNER of a horse I WOULD NOT let a trainer show my horses and look that bad.They dont understand how BAD they look.I dont mean to hurt anyones feelings, but they do need to take a close look
Everett
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Mason

Funny you all brought that up...my wife and I were at RICHARDS cafe this AM and saw Howard Roberts..we were talking about the same thing...MOST(NOT ALL)of them ride like the HEADLESS HORSEMAN OF SLEEPY HOLLOW.

Mason
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Big Ed

Funny you all brought that up...my wife and I were at RICHARDS cafe this AM and saw Howard Roberts..we were talking about the same thing...MOST(NOT ALL)of them ride like the HEADLESS HORSEMAN OF SLEEPY HOLLOW.

Mason
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Big Ed

Does anybody know the name of the horse who won the most celebration reserves before finally winning that seemingly unattainable celebration blue?
Eddie
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Big Ed

Everette,
My grandad always told me that as a rider you did'nt want to do anything that would cause the judge to look at you, instead of the horse. A good showman can hide horse's weakness. Make it look easy, so to speak.
Eddie
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Mason
You looked pretty good (when shorn & sheared) sittig on a Horse yourself, so did Billy Gray & come to think of it, its hard to beat the way that Ronal Young sits a horse.

Gerald Hugh had & Ronnie Spears has a unique way of holding the Horses head up.
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everready

Amen Eddie
A good rider CAN make a GOOD horse look GREAT, THATS WHAT SEPERATES ALL TRAINERS,then some of these guys and gals wonder how they get beat every Sat. night.
Everett

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(Unknown)

Saddle Tramp, Ronald Young's wife isn't any slouch either when it comes to sitting a horse.
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Saddle Tramp

Moonglow
You got that right, good buddy.
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jwalker

Saddletramp, here are a few of the Voice magazines I have.

Voice Magazines

1963- December.

1964- January, February. March, June, August, October and December.

1965- January, February, March, May, June, August, September, October
and December.

1966- January, February, April, June, July, August and November.

1967- April and November.

1968- January, February, March, April, August, Sept./Oct. and November.

1969- January, February, May, June, July, August, Sept./Oct., November
and December.

1970- February, March, July, August, Sept./Oct., November and December.
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Saddle Tramp

JWalker
I could use 2 of your magazines, but why don't we or anyone else concerning this, correspond via email & not take up this site space, I just wanted to let others know what I needed.
amoore@cafes.net
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Mason

Did anyone ever come up with George Witts Nickname?I've been SO busy writing my new book I've missed the post if anyones guessed it.
Mason
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BUBBADOG

I don't remember George's nickname - but I do remember him - I won my first blue ribbon in front of him - I was so thrilled that I named a beagle after him.
Mason - are you really writing a book? If you are good for you and I want a copy soon as they are published - I know that it will be full of wisdom & humor!
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twhlady

David, is your book about the TWH? I have years of notes and stuff pertaining to all these years I have spent.......and it would make interesting reading. I'm sure you have much of the same type recollections.

Sarah Lynn
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everready

George Witts nickname i think had something to do with Boxing, he was a Golden Glove Boxer,could be LEFTY, just guessing
Everett
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Mason

MIGHTY MOUSE
Mason
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everready

You gotta be kidding,i met George but never knew him that well, he and Steve h. was about the same height, nice guy.
Everett
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everready

What State and City was Sam Gibbons from, Sam was connected with the celebration for years.
Everett
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twhlady

MR. Sam is from Athens, Al.

sarah lynn
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everready

Sara
Mr Jim Beasley was from Athens Al. also,as you know, what ever happened to Suzie Day, I do remember hearing John Day had died.
Everett
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twhlady

Everett..........

Along with Mr. Sam Gibbons there were many great Alabama horsemen and women who were significant in the eqine world........Big Jim, as we all called Mr. Beasley, was a mainstay for our breed.....as was Mrs. Beasley. Mr. Beasley served on the Garret Coliseum Board for many years as well as being a major figure in the establishment of the Walking Horse Association of Alabama. I have not communicated with Susie or any of the family since David died........I sort of faded back into obscurity for many years and lost contact with lots of people for whom our industry owes great admiration and respect. Right now in our industry, we desperately need the guidance and direction that some who are gone could - and did- so generously offer...while they remained with us and our horses.

Sarah Lynn
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Big Ed

Does anybody remember Joe Chilton, aka "Tennessee" I think, he was around forever, worked for Billy Gray for a long time, when he was in Lewisburg. My guess he has passed. Eddie
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Mason

Ed
wasnt Joe related to John C. Miller...a cousin MAYBE?
Mason
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Big Ed

Yes, he was. I think he was somehow involved with BUM. He worked in Virginia as a stud manager/handler for awhile. That is where I first met him. He was always super nice to me. Eddie
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(Unknown)

What WGC was originally named Little Miss's Fury?
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master

1989 Champ Motown Motion.
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grits

what would be the purpose of a name change
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(Unknown)

master, I assume you mean Motown Magic and that is correct.
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GBoyd

I was not following Walkng Horeses at the time. What happened

1) That Pride's Gold coin didn't come close to winning it all, but dominated as 2,3,4 yo?

2) Same for Jose Jose?
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Master
You can change the name of a horse with no problem, reasons for changing names is for different reasons. The reason for the name change on Motown Magic was that the owners were connected to the music Business.I think they were in to making the old 45's, this was before the invention of CD'S
Everett
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(Unknown)

GBoyd, Same goes for the Entertainer and Generator.
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Saddle Tramp

grits
To the best of my recollection & I could be wrong, Motown Magic was one of the first TWH's, to be found with the wrong papers on him, found out by BLOODTYPING.

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everready

Saddle Tramp
Whats up about reading tread backwards about horses name change, you lost me on that one.
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Big Ed

GBoyd
I saw Gold Coin win as a 2, 3, 4 yr. old. I believe he won each time with 3 first place votes from the judges. I never even new he was in the ring until the workout. I thought he was very ordinary and I think Grand Champion time proved it.
Eddie
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aztlanfarms

Does anyone know Winifred Teal from Manchester, TN.? She bred some in the late 80's. I would like to try to contact her.
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Saddle Tramp

Everready
If you find my comments on how we got spotted stallions in the TWHBEA & why bloodtyping was incorporated, then you will see that MTM was one of the first Horses to Crapp out. Here is what might have taken place. Bought out of Ky., Papers switched, Sold, Name changed, Won WGC, Bloodtyped, Correct papers put back on him with MTM as name.
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Saddle Tramp

AztlanFarms
the name is Winfred Teal (male gender)
phone number is 931-728-2713
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everready

Saddle Tramp
I do now remember the big stink over his(Motown's) Reg. papers.
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master

And also the fact that he was crowned three year old champ with Ernest Upton up and he was actually a four year old.
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Big Ed

I think there was a whole lot more to that story. Certainly his lineage was in question, but he was still a great horse no matter what his name or who he was by/out of. Was he stripped of the three year old title because of the age discrepancy? Eddie
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broomman

Who can name the college named after a Celebration judge?
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(Unknown)

Strictly a guess, would it be Hardeman?
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broomman

Yes

Freed-Hardeman

N.B. Hardeman was judge in 1939
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twhlady

Anyone know the tie-in with our industry and the name Motlow...........there is a college, and another famous TN product tied to that name...

What is the TWH industry connection?

Sarah Lynn
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everready

Sara
I think that was Lem Motlow and the famous product was WHISKEY, i think, i think
Everett
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(Unknown)

Who was the first to both judge the Celebration and ride a WGC?
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Big Ed

My guess is Fred Walker.
Eddie
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everready

Moonglow66
My guess is Strolling Jim and for the life of me i cannot remember the trainers name,and i know it as well as i know my own name.(Senior Brain Malfuncition)
Everett
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(Unknown)

Big Ed you are correct. Fred Walker judged it in 43 and won it in 45.
Everett Floyd Carothers rode Strolling Jim.
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everready

Moonglow66
My Gosh i cant believe i couldn't remember Floyd Carothers, i really think i'm older than i think i am.Heck i was raised 6 miles from Wartrace ,i hope Mason dont read this.
Everett
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(Unknown)

Who was the first woman to judge the Celebration?
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everready

I am not answering any more questions, i have embarrased myself enough.
HEY i think you all are using my TRIVA GAME to come up these questions, I want to be PAID come on guys fess up and send the checks.
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

BigEd user post 13
I don't know if he was stripped of the 3 yr old title,
but I do know that some of the ones involved, are now members of the hall of fame. (Pete Rose should be in the horse business)
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Big Ed

Moonglow66
I think I remember Vickie Self judging the celebration and I would guess she might be first.
Eddie
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(Unknown)

Vickie Self was the first female judge. It was 1982.
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Saddle Tramp

Trivia Question
What faith was N.B. Hardeman? and what are some of their practices?
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(Unknown)

Was he a Primative Babtist?

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scooter

N.B. Hardeman was a member of the Chruch of Christ, a restoration outgrowth of the reformation started by Martin Luther. The ideology involves going back to first century doctrine and dogma using the Bible as the sole source of authority; no creeds, no synods or councils and no centralized authority apart from scripture.
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aztlanfarms

Thanks for the information Saddle Tramp. I will try to contact Mr. Teal.
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smitty

Hey Mason,

Here's a famous quotes trivia question for you. What World Grand Championship Trainer once said "Sometimes the monkey is smarter than the organ grinder.

Hint:
This message is from "Dr. B" in "Cantuckee"
Go back to about 82 an you'll remember me
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Mason

You struck a chord but my rememberer does not work as well as it should...I remember some stuff but I've blocked out LOTS of stuff people tell me I SHOULD remember!

HELP ME HERE!
Mason
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smitty

The World Grand Championship Trainer that said "Sometimes the monkey is smarter than the organ grinder was none other than:

David Mason


Yes, you said this to me, David, way back around 1982. It was not long after I sold a horse I trained myself to a customer of yours by the name of Dr. Murray Balsam. He was a little chestnut horse.

If you remember who I am, I would love to talk with you about the old days as well as the new. Although I was just a young punk with a horse, I always enyoyed your unique view and sense of humour. My e-mail address is timmbur22@aol.com

Nice to hear from you again!!!!!!
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Saddle Tramp

Scooter
You are exactly correct about Bro. Hardeman.
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(Unknown)

Who was the first person to judge the Celebration after winning the WGC?
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Big Ed

moonglow66
was it Steve Hill?
Eddie
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(Unknown)

It was Steve Hill in 1969.
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everready

I was just thinking back in time today,years ago i had lunch one day with Vic Thompson , Steve Hill, Toby Green,Albert Rowland and Buddy Moore,I wish all of you could have been there, I laughed untill my head hurt.I never heard so many funny stories these guys told about what they did to one another down thru thier lives.A GREAT KODAK MOMENT.
Everett
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Big Ed

Everett,
I can only guess that Marvin Wilson was in some of those stories. The best ones I ever heard center around Marvin.
Eddie
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everready

ED
Marvins name came up a bunch
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twhlady

Whatever happened to Casey Jones?

Sarah Lynn
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Mason

Casey Jones is ALIVE and well...living in Bell Buckle TN.... U.S. OF A. I called him this morning...he was talking to Paul Smith & called me back.It was COLD & snowy here and neither of us had much to do.
Mason
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smitty

Well.....I guess the organ grinder is smarter than the monkey after all...........

regards
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Mason

I emailed you today did you get it?
Mason
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smitty

I'm sorry David, I am at work right now and will check it when I get home. Thanks for responding!
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Mason

Looks like to me you ARE WORKING??? Why dont you just go on home..doesnt look like you are TOO BUSY???
Tell em I told you to go Home...if they give you any problem tell em to call me!
Mason
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everready

Mason
Speaking of Paul Smith my wife and i are staying with paul and his wife when we come to the trainers show,paul lives in shelbyville, and i will bring him out with me when i come out too see ya. Pauls eyesite is not good so i will take him around to some of the stables and visit some of our buddies.
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

Ridglea's Delight
Who showed him?
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Mason

Everett
When Casey and I were talking yesterday he said Paul wanted us to come see him....we also have been TALKING about going to see Preach...BUT you know how we are,,, TALKING doesnt get the wagon loaded
Mason
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twhlady

David M:

My daughter has just moved her Power Stroke horse she did so well last year to Joe Flemming. Preach spends a lot of time there at the barn with Joe and Justin.

Sarah Lynn
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everready

Didn't Bob Cooley have Ridgeleas Delight as a 2 yr old
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

Everett,

Paul Smith showed him when he was at Battle Ground Stables in Chattanooga. Bob Cooley may have also showed him.
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everready

Saddle Tramp
Bob Cooley showed rig's delight as a 2yr old, Paul got him just after the celebration, i think paul sold him to Forest Cates and i believe Mr Cates won some class at the celebration, do you have a picture of June's Merry Boy, paul smith and wink showed him i would like to find a picture of him for paul.
Everett

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Mason

Everett
Give me an idea what yr you think Junes Merry boy was at Pauls...I'll go through the archives...I've got ALL the Blue Ribbions except a 39(and have a COPY of it)Saddle & Bridles -National Horsemen from back around the Late fortys- fiftys & sixtys & seventys..a few eightys but then I kinda lost out and stopped collecting.I have a room full of STUFF upstairs at my kennel & an atic full here at the house...when we moved my son,grandson & I couldnt get anything done for looking through all that junk! I almost KNOW I have a picture of Junes Merry Boy...MIGHT be with June Riggs riding(?)
OLD & IN the WAY!
Mason
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Saddle Tramp

Everready
Off the top of my head, the only picture that I've seen of Junes Merry Boy was with Wink Groover on Him.
This was in the 60's or 70's. I'll look later.
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BUBBADOG

I think that I have a picture of June's Merry Boy with Wink - he had him at the same time he had my old horse Sensational Sundust - I'll go through some books tonight and see if I can find him. This should have been around 1965. Lord have mercy that was a REAL LONG time ago!
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Mason

Bubbadog
Have you got your S.S. ck this month?Aint it hard trying to live off $1200 a month?ALL these horse folks going on cruises & gamblin in Tunica....IF STEAM BOAT RIDES WERE A NICKLE APIECE ALL I COULD DO IS RUN UP AND DOWN THE BANK HOLLERIN AIN'T THAT CHEAP!We probably should have stayed in the Horse game,and we would have MONEY by NOW??
Mason
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everready

Mason
i talked with paul it was around 63 ,64,if you can find one with paul, get one with anyone riding,he had Mckays Jewel and Mckays Lady around 1960, they might be in the National Horseman.
Thanks
Everett
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everready

Saddle Tramp
Thanks for looking any picture of Junes Merry Boy will do.
Everett
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everready

Thanks Cissy
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

All of Yall
Anyone with a 1963 blue ribbon yr bk, should have a picture of wink and junes merry boy. I don't have an extra one. Was he kin to June Sun?
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Everett

Mason
Do you think, that you would have ever won the Celebration with long hair & a Fu Man Chu?

everready
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Everett

Saddle Tramp
Junes Merry Boy was by June Sun,I will speak for Mason about the long hair Fu Man Chu-YES because he was riding a Great Horse
Everett
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Mason

Aint got no Fu-man-Chu...just a LONG HORSE tail to cover up the horses'@rs
Mason
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Big Ed

The 62 Blue Ribbon has Wink on June's Merry Boy as a 4 yr. old.
Also, while I was looking through old blue ribbons I came across a magazine called THE TENNESSEE WALKING HORSE, A National Breed Publication. No mention as to having anything to do with TWHBEA. It was the December, 1950 issue. It is the only issue of this magazine I have. Anyone know of it?
Eddie
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Mason

The Tenn Walking Horse had 20 something Issues I THINK...I have MOST of them...and they were printed in LEWISBURG I believe
Mason
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Saddle Tramp

Big Ed, Everready & Mason
theres a picture out thar sum whur wif mason on copyrite & he has long hair & a fu man chu mustarche.

Everette June Sun made a purty picture.

Jimmy Joe Murray of the famous horse sale printed the Tennessee Walking Horse magazine.
1945 4 copies
1946 4 copies
1947 4 copies
1948 4 copies
1949 4 copies
1950 6 copies
1951 3 copies
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29 I have them all.

In about 1949 he passed away & a foundation carried on until the middle of 1951 & then things came to a halt.
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Mason

Got that picture in front of me, found it in a box of junk after my Mother in law passed away...but cant find the fu-man-chu
send me an email and I'll send you one for your garden. I had a man tell me he put one of me & Stock in his corn crib and the rats brought back corn they had stolen fours yrs ago.
Mason
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everready

Saddle Tramp
June Sun was a beatiful horse, my first training job was with Floyd pursell in Orlando Fl.when i was 17 yrs. old ,we stood June Sun,pretty Gray Roan.John SMYTH the blacksmith for Joe Martin was working for mr pursell in his Radaitor repair show, thats were John starting shoeing horses.John and i have drank a brew are two together.
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

Everready
You have just proven Johny Brown right.(brew)
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Saddle Tramp

Maysun
You wouldn't have any of them thar rangs hangin off them years wud ye?

How is my wifes finger, like a lemon pie?
Its got ma rang on it!
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everready

Saddle Tramp
Johnny Brown has turned up a brew or two himself, i have witness that a few times.
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

Ever Ready (to do what?)
That brew that You've spoken of, is it Lipton, Sanka, Folgers, Maxwell House, Sterling, Oertels 92, Schlitz or Falstaff.

Steve Hill wouldn't have been a bad influence on you boys, would he?

Did you ever go up to the Dog mans at Gnat Hill & buy any brew.(my great uncle)

Theres a very rare beer sign, with Strolling Jim on it, its made of cardboard & I,ve only seen one.
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MichaelJ

Back to Motown, how was all that resolved?
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Big Ed

Saddletramp,
I'm pretty sure that I have a picture of Mason with Fu Man Chu and a sombrero brimmed hat, but I think he's on Stock. When I locate it, will let you know.
Eddie
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Saddle Tramp
I found it. The picture of Mason I referred to is on page 29 of the 1973 Blue Ribbon.
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everready

Saddle Tramp
It was of the Schlitiz and Falstaff line, and yes Steve did have a(little) influence on us, i do think i have got a bottle are two from that old store at Gnats Hill.
Everett
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BUBBADOG

eVERETTE - YOU SURE DID GET UP EARLY THIS MORNING DIDN'T YOU?
I THINK THAT LOTS OF US HAVE BEEN TO GNAT'S HILL A TIME OR TWO - OR THREE
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everready

Cissy
I get up about 3:00 ever morning seven days a week, cant sleep after that, if i am not out doing meetings , i'm in the bed by 9:00pm
Everett
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BUBBADOG

Everette - Lord - I know what you mean - I can't keep my eyes open after 9 pm or closed after 5 am - all those "rode hard and put up wet" years are catching up - scuse me - have caught up with me.

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BUBBADOG

Oh yeah Everette - I think that I might have an old saddle that you used to ride in - it's one of the first patent leather saddles made and it belonged to Toby - it's ancient, but in pretty good shape considering how it has been treated and used for a work saddle - most comfortable patent leather that you could imagine - don't know why just thought that might interest you - sometimes I like to think about all the different places my rear has been.
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Mason

Saddletramp
I have one of those Strolling Jim signs framed in the ATIC in the Archives..someone cut the BEER advertisement off the bottom before I got it...just a small section out on the bottom between his feet.Must have been someone who didnt approve of a cool one now & them,but did like Strolling Jim and Floyd.Its about 18X24 Id say.Jason Hatchett Casey Jones Grandson Plays fiddle with us and he said his Uncle painted it...but the signs OLDER than his uncle Id say...His uncle did paint one repro yrs ago(without the Advertisement) that was about the same size as mine ..they sold them at one of the Tack Shops.You are welcome to come by here sometime I've got LOTS of JUNK!
Mason
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everready

Cissy
I do remember having a saddle like that at Toby's, if its the same one, its had a lot of PRETTY BUTTS in that saddle.
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

Mason
I'd love to come by & chew the fat with you. I'm going over to Waterfall In a few minutes & see the 2 & 3's. But I don't have to come today. Could you give me directions (sometime).

I sure do enjoy this party line.
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BUBBADOG

Everette - yeah - that's the saddle - you can tell from all the PRETTY BUTT prints.
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J441

My dad had extra verbiage on the back of his business card that read something like: "When I die, please take my hide, tan it, and make it into the cover for a fine 4" cutback saddle. Give the saddle to a beautiful young woman who rides champion Tennessee Walking Horses. Then forever more will I dwell in my two favorite places on this earth."
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twhlady

All of you are speaking of trivia and 'stuff' and all the books and magazines........I would think that Jean Hunter probably has lots of old magazines.

We were speaking about Richard Hudgins a few pages back and about him leaving Voice.....I think he now is very involved with the ASB breed journal. Is this the same publication that Jean worked with for so many years?

Sarah Lynn
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J441

TWHlady, I have a question for you...who was the fellow who guided (blind) Forrest Cate when he was showing Ridgelea's Delight around the ring with the first radio system I ever saw used in the ring. I seem to remember the name "Slim"?
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everready

Sara
Jean Hunter worked for The National Horseman, I think she passed away several years ago
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

Everready & Sara
Amy Lee Marks had Miss Jean Hunter at the Lewisburg show, this past summer & I got her autograph.
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everready

Saddle Tramp
I am glad to hear that about Jean Hunter, i had heard she had passed,if you ever see her tell i said hello.
Everett
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everready

Anybody heard from Sonny Holt, i heard he was back training horses in Tn.
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Saddle Tramp

Everready
Directly in front of SandCreek with Richard Wall.
Mitchell Jake Jacobs 69 was in the obit yesterday.
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everready

In the mid 70's The Trainers Show was moved out of Tn. What City and State was the 1st Trainers show held.
Everett
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Big Ed

Decatur, Ga. or Al.?
Eddie
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everready

Ed
no but close
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Saddle Tramp

Trainers show?
Whatever city Stone Mountain Ga is in, thats where it was held. I have a program in my filing cabinet at work.
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lola

Stone Mountain,Ga.,Louisville,Kentucky-IMHO one of the best shows ever.Then it was held for several years in Decatur,then Atlanta,Ga for a couple of years,Katy,Texas in the mid-8O's.Wish it would start going to different locations again.
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everready

Stone Mt. Ga was the 1st outside of Tn.
Everett
Saddle Tramp your right
lola your right all so.
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pushingrage

Anybody remember when the Trainer's Show was at the Henderson Arena and it snowed, rained, hailed, strong winds. Weirdest weather for those few days I ever remember.
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everready

You bet, it was miserable weather
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Big Ed

That was the year Delights Counselor and Rae Martin were big. Didn't show him because they would have had to lead him up on an icey path from there outside stalls. I was stabled beside Mason in the barn ajoining the arena. We were sheltered from all the bad conditions. Eddie
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twhlady

Wonder how we could entice the trainers to begin moving the show around again. This could in fact be great publicity for our breed.........

After all, we get tired of having to go to Shelbyville for everyting.......other places have nice facilities, and the folks in Shelbyville might like to get out of town a bit more........

Just an idea???????

Sarah Lynn
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myponycoco

Dr. Maxcine Johnson, Midnight Blue,
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MarkD1

Sarah Lynn--

I've said just that several times before and now there are more places than ever before that could host the show and be a wonderful showcase for our breed.

Just think what it would be like to have the National Trainers' Show once again in places like . . .

Memphis, Tenn.
Tunica, Miss.
Lexington, Ky.
Asheville, NC
Clemson, S.C.
Atlanta, Ga
Huntsville, Ala.
White Pine, Tenn.

Just right there you haven't left 200 miles of Shelbyville, but just think about all of the media markets that you could get into from that list of places to get some POSITIVE media for our breed. Memphis (West TN, Eastern Ark., North Miss.), Asheville, NC (Western N.C. & Upstate S.C.), Atlanta (all of Georgia and honestly, most of the south), Huntsville (Huntsville & Birmingham) and White Pine (Knoxville, Chattanooga, Bristol).

That's a lot of folks that we could be some positive exposure to.

But, I honestly don't think we'll ever see that day come again. Everything seems to be moving towards Shelbyville, not away from it. I don't really understand why the people at large can't see that's bad for the breed long term.

MWD

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pushingrage

I actually enjoyed the Trainer's show when they had it at different venues. Not only did we really enjoy the show in Atlanta area but when it was in Louisville, KY. I remember while we were there going to the zoo and a lot of other stuff to do in some of these bigger towns. Variety would be great as well as promotion for our breed having the Trainer's show outside of Shelbyville again. JMHO
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makethecut

They also had a great Trainers Show in Little Rock, Arkansas. Secret Threat was a two-year old.
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everready

Back in the 70's I was president of the Ga. -Sc. Trainers Asso.at the trainers meeting in Tn.we voted on moving the show to different citys and States.We voted on having it in Shelbyville , Nashville or Stone Mt. Ga.well Sone Mt. won, then thats when we started moving the show. Our Ga-Sc asso. votes got the show moved, I think the TRAINERS should do that again. That promoted the HORSE THEN AND IT WILL DO IT AGAIN,REMEMBER WHY WE HAVE THE SHOWS ANYWAY.I think it should be held in Fl. the weather is always GREAT IN MARCH.
Everett
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Mason

Say there aint nothin else to do in SHELBYVILLE? Yall could Visit the CHICKEN plant while you are in for the TRAINERS SHOW...or the cheese plant?
Mason
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pushingrage

Mason,

Yes, the Tyson Chicken Plant...got called to be on a Federal Jury because of the illegal aliens being paid less money and the cover up by Tyson managers in the hiring practices both in Shelbyville, TN and other Tyson Plants. I was last person to get kicked of panel...thanks goodness....4 months I would have had to serve. Only reason I got kicked off was I had worked for a law firm before in which one of the attorneys I had worked with was representing Tyson. So no thank you for the thrill of visiting the Chicken Plant in Shelbyville.

Did not know they had cheese plant....wow...how have I missed that one? ;o)
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lola

Bedford Cheese.They make a good jalapeno jack cheese.I do wish that the show would alternate locations,however,Mr. Mason,Shelbyville does have quite a few good qualities.The town is growing,the school system is excellent,pretty good sports teams,scenic Duck River rafting tours.Sorry that you seem so bitter about the business in general.I think that even with all the problems,most of the changes were necessary.Todays horses require a good bit more riding than in years past,and as I recall,a friend used to say that you "were shy about the saddle".I enjoy reading your thoughts and do remember you fondly,just sorry that you feel that the old days were better.Anything in life when remembered,always looks better than it was,including bad marriages,lousy jobs,etc.the past is usually always thought to be better than the present.Sure,I liked the old days,but I like the higher heads of today,the lighter mouths,the non-caloused feet.I have chosen to stay in the sport,and even if it all disappears tomorrow,I am proud that I have continued to participate.
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Mason

Good answer! BUT OLE saddle shy made a fair mark ...wonder what could have been done if he'd ridden more?
Mason
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twhlady

Actually, the first time I went to Celebration and spent great amounts of time exploring the beautiful countryside.......I decided when I die, I think Heaven is in Shelbyville, and that would be a great place to spend eternity........(I already knew about Bedford Cheese)

As for keeping so much of the industry within the Flat Creek - Deason - Unionville - Snake Creek confines... that has really been the intent and the mindset of many for a while.........Therefore, everything became totally centralized in Middle Tennessee.....

Our horse, though originating from and being named for the area.......is world class in it's magnitude....and should have continued to be promoted in that manner and with that intent....

Time was the great TWH saw the bright lights of many of the big cities of this nation.....and was welcomed by all........NO MORE. Los Angeles, Kansas City, NY, Chicago.......I even remember Princess Anne of Great Britian observing our horses at a show in Harrisburg, PA......many years ago when she presented her eventing expertise.......And the Gold Wining Olympic Equestrian Team was there and was totally fascinated by our breed.......

Didn't Sam Pacshal ride Suns Delight D. in the Rose Parade one year?

Yes, Mark........we should all encourage the trainers to move around from year to year.....

Sarah Lynn
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twhlady

What's all this "Saddle Shy" business about?

sl
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everready

Mason
thats a new one on me, i didnt know you was such a SHY person(about the saddle). yea lola the head might be higher, BUT what on earth are they doing with those BACK LEGS.THE LAST TIME I WENT TO THE CELEBRATION ABOUT 7 YRS. AGO, I HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MANY WORLD CHAMPIONS,3 LEGGED,BARELY TRACKING THEMSELFS BEHIND.I AM COMING TO THE TRAINERS SHOW THIS YEAR, I SURE HOPE THEY ARE A BETTER BUNCH.
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Big Ed

For somebody who was so "saddle shy" he sure wore out a bunch of high priced saddles. That gear the horses are doing now is a combination run/walk. Running on one end, walking on the other. Don't ask me which end is what.
Eddie
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everready

Big Ed
I want to know what happened to the HEAD SHAKE,as you know if a horse is truly WALKING, that HEAD CANNOT stay still.but the horse as you and mason and myself knows are GONE FOREVER. the last nice horse i showed back in 87 at the International and won the Aged stud class( Prides Rare Delight) was a head shaking back leg driving high stepping fool.and he was inspected by the DQPS and the Gov. people, and his feet looked like a yearlings foot. back then a trainer would have 15 to 25 horses in training, today they have 50 to 150 in training.
Everett
Hey i just answered my own question.
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Big Ed

Eveready,
You might remember winning Broadway on Rare Delight and I was second on Mike's Stroller. d**k Myers said I beat you but who knows. I do have a action photo with our two horses in it. We both looked awful good. A horses smoothness comes from the backend. My granddad told me that a TWH, when truly walking, was carrying about 70% of his weight on his hind legs. I always thought the timing of the head shake came from the rear end and the deepness of his motion came from his stride. I never saw a horse doing it right behind who didn't have a lot of motion to go with it.
Eddie
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everready

Big Ed
What does d**k Myers know(just kidding)I do remember Mikes Stroller and he was a heck of a nice horse.and your granddad was right, if a horse is truly walking that being a 1234 beat, that head will be shaking and every leg being in the right place, the rider will be setting still and the ride is smooth as silk.I love it
Everett
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everready

Big Ed
Speaking of Dick Myers, Dick and Joyce are some of our best friends, they are in the Travel Business with my wife and I.I remember d**k starting UNO AS a colt, he called me one day and ask if i would run by and take a look at his coming two year old.as i pulled down his driveway he was running walking Uno up in front of his barn. that day he was the BEST 2 yr.old i ever looked at.Ask d**k he was never that good since,even when he won the 2 yr.old stake.I never nor has Dick ever seen a colt like him that day.
Everett
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TSAGER

When was the last year that the Trainer's show was not in Shelbyville? My wife and I do not mind traveling for shows. We live in Murfreesboro and often show at the Upper Cumberland circuit so that we have a better chance at ribbons. If you show around Shelbyville, you face Celebration quality competition every weekend. It is nice to have a shot at a blue or reserve every now and then.

I believe that the Panama City Beach show is a favorite for many and that is an 8 hour drive. How about a few big shows in Charleston, Savannah, Myrtle Beach, Wilmington, etc.?

I heard last week that the World Equitation Games?? was going to be held in Lexington in 2010? Supposidly the first time held in the US and they were expecting 1 million visitors? I hope our leadership will take this opportunity for demonstrations and promoting the walking horse padded, pleasure, and trail horse.
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smitty

Were the "good ole days" really better?

They certainly were different. I remember showing on the southern Kentucky circuit when I was a kid. Most of the shows were at county fairs and included not only walking horses, but also saddlebreds, racking horses, road horses and even mule races. Entire towns came out for these events and the grandstands were always packed. The smell of cotton candy was in the air and the lights of the ferris wheel and the rest of the midway was always in the background. Little old ladies sat at tables selling their homemade pies and there was a sense of southern hospitality and a kind of an old-fashioned genteel flavor to the whole thing. There were some great covered grandstands back in that day that added to the atmosphere. Some of the ones I liked the best were the old Russell County Fair grandstand and the old Harrodsburg grandstand (before it burned) which featured a perfectly round concrete railed ring with grandstand around the entire ring. They don't make em like that anymore. Another of the things I remember that was certainly very different from today's shows was the applause of the crowd. If you won a class back then the ENTIRE crowd would very politely and graciously applaude and would extend that applause as you left the ring. There wasn't a lot of whooping or yelling or catcalling, just moderately loud, appreciative applause from everyone watching. They actually gave some very nice silver trays & dishes for first place back in those days at the small shows. I still have a nice big silver " oyster casserole" dish I won in a juvenile class back in those days. Seems like everyone was more congratulatory back then as well. People actually appreciated good horseflesh and would show their appreciation, even if you beat em.

I especially miss Frank. He was an old black man that lived in a nursing home in Danville, Ky. Even though he was too old to help much, Bob McQuerry would have someone go pick him up and they hauled him around to all the shows. He was part of the family.

These are the things I miss.
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Big Ed

Everett, I saw and rode UNO alot. Tied second behind him many times. Had a customer who offered $50K for him. Let me tell you for sure that he was much better those times than what he was when he won the Celebration. He was a freak, and only Dick knew his number. History proved that.
Eddie
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everready

Ed
Yep he was a good one, and Dick did have the only key, i think the real key was Dick HAD and TOOK the TIME to put the work in him that it took.
Everett
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Big Ed

Everett,
Uno spent more time out of the stall than he did in. Was on the cooler with a set of chains on "dog walking"
for hours every day. Had a real small length shoe in front. Another thing, Uno belonged to him and he showed him when "he new" he was right, not when someone (like an owner) said to. He called me one Tuesday and said come over, he's "shaking all over". He found a show in NC being held Wednesday and took him. The time and devotion made him a Champion. Ole "Clayton Delaney" went on down to Tennessee and showed em all how its done..
Eddie
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Mason

Smitty ..I really enjoyed reading your last post...brought back memories....I still get that FEELING when we go to SHELBYVILLE KY every yr to the Saddlebred show...theres just something I cant explain about THAT feeling.Usually the Show is over every night by 9-9:30 YOU ENJOY IT But your tailbone dont get sore from sitting through 25 classes.
Mason
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jwalker

What ever happened to Doug Wolaver? Seems like he just dropped out of the business in the 1970's, why?
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smitty

thanks Mason,

I kinda felt all teary-eyed after writing something like that, but I somehow know that you (of all people) really do know that "atmosphere" or "feeling" I'm talking about. It was kind of magic and it really does not exist anymore, you just get a glimpse of it every now and then.

I believe you and I are a lot alike in some ways...

(except I would never wear gloves while showing a horse.....; 0 )
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lola

Doug Wolaver broke three colts for me in 2OO2.Has some good help that specializes in young horses.He attends many shows as a spectator.
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walkin ohio

Smitty,

The feeling you are talking about is wonderful.
The Boone Co fair in N.Ky is still a show that is very nostalgic, and the grandstands are always full and the majority of the people know a good horse from a bad one, but they still cheer for all. The Brown Co. fair in Georgetown OH is another one. That is a all breed show that lasts for 2 days starting just after lunch each day. If I'm not showing I at least go and watch, and enjoy the country cooking !
Sandy

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smitty

Walkin Ohio,

Happy to hear you relate to " the feeling!" I remember the Boone County Fairgrounds ( I believe that's the Burlington showgrounds........right?) and you're right, the atmosphere was definitely a memorable one.

I recall showing in the 15.2 & Under Amateur class at the Burlington show back in the mid seventies. There was a whopping 26 entries in the class. I had actually been showing in the juvenile ranks and was stepping up into the amateur ranks for the first time. I had a little sorrell gelding called "Drummer's Delight." He was game & showy and had a nice back-end, but was lacking a little up front. However, he was one of those type of horses you don't want any part of in a long workout. The longer he went, the higher he climbed and the better he got. There was a workout and I made the cut. In the workout, he just kept getting better and better and better and the crowd got excited and got behind him. When it was all over, he was the clear standout and beat a whole big handful of "more expensive" horses. When I rode him up to get his ribbon, the crowd went nuts.

There's something about the applause and sound of the crowd that lets you know when you've made a "special" ride, and Burlington was one of those rides that stand out in my memory. I don't know if I've ever been PROUDER riding up to get a blue ribbon. Memories often fade, but sometimes I still have dreams about certain shows I made 25 years ago!!!

Does anyone else have these dreams???
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twhlady

Aaahhhh, Smitty:

Dreams and memories are all what this thread is about. We gather here and chat, share information, ask questions, gossip, poke a bit o' fun, and remember, and remember.........Were we not able to recall these golden memories we all share.... and keep stored away in the special places in our hearts, growing older would truly be sad.

On days when I get a bit down and pressures are a bit too bundlesome.......I sign online and read all the accounts of some memories we have made in our wonderful horse world.

Sarah Lynn
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smitty

Wow!......twhlady, you sure have a way with words.....

For a moment there, I thought it was " Glinda, The Good Witch of the North" talking to me and waving her wand with the little star on top!! (just kidding of course)

But you didn't answer my question, have you ever replayed showing a horse in your mind in the form of a dream. I just want to make sure I'm not the only NUT out there!!!

(by the way.........I think I used to know you.........hmmmmm)
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twhlady

Yes Smitty, I dream about horse shows and special performances that have been made by those dear to me. There are times I can actually "HEAR" in my dreams the west grandstand cheers when Norma Lynn rode out of the ring....not with a blue ribbon....but with a yellow one....on one of her really fantastic mares......and I have dreamed about Carl's first ride around the big oval on a very mediocre pony when he was about 9 and his first Celebration victory many years later.

In my dreams I can still see Marvin on Senator....and the earlier class when Burt won on Moonglow Jr.....and the torrential rain that soaked us all....making our skin shrivel up.......

And Billy and Bobby when they challenged each other in the famous ride to the line up a few years ago..and Judy as a juvenile on Untouchable.....and Buddy on the white horse......and Albert Lee leaving the ring with the red ribbon when the crowd just got louder and louder.......and the great pony Sheri rode and Dorothy later on.........

Guess you would like for me to stop telling you about the dreams that float through the memories in my mind. So if you are a NUT...then I shall have to join you in the peanut gallery.....

HHHUUMMMMMMMMMMM....who are you? You chicken to sign your name?

Sarah Lynn
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twhlady

When I re-read my post I saw that I didn't name Buddy's horse.......think it was Shadow's King Cotton (maybe) ....and Albert Lee was riding Pride's April Love.......but not by the Pride that is so famous..... and of course, the pony both Sheri and Dorothy rode was REve.......

Sarah Lynn
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more2miller

You people on here are OLD!!
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everready

more2miller
Yes we are,BUT we know alot i bet you dont know
Everett
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grits

more2miller, HOW RUDE, they may be old but to have seen some of the great horses and expieriences some would give their left - - - to have that. Besides I could listen to those stories for days on end....
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MOUNTAIN WALKER

not old, just seasoned.
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everready

Hey --did ya'll hear the one about?/?????? o S--- i am so old i forgot what i was going to tell ya'll.
Everett
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saddie

please, please keep the stories coming. they make my day. been in the twh business 40 years, seen quite a few good horses myself, but, I can't get enough of the old stories.
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(Unknown)

Can anyone name the last horse that Sam Paschal showed at the Celebration?
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longshanks

more2miller, I am not old but I do know a few things about how to act around old folks. Shut up and listen close. You might learn a few things. I have known many old people and I've known many fools, but never have I known any old fools. If you really love the TWH breed as much as you claim, go to National Bridle Shop in Lewisburg and look at the pictures lining the walls. Then, stop by S. W. Beech's and look at the graves of the horses whose names are spoken with reverant tones. These very people you are insulting are the people who knew, trained and supported these horses. Shame on you, you disrespectful whelp.
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twhlady

I probably am way off base, but I think one of the last horses that Mr. Sam rode was Go Boy's Black Rooster........owned by Capt. Earl Self and his wife Ann from Mobile, AL.........The Self family were longtime well established promoters of the TWH. One point of real interest is that Capt. Self named lots of his horses after boats that he owned. He was in seagoing shipping and also had a very large tugboat business on Mobile Bay (Gulf).

OK..now it is time for moonglow to tell me another name for Mr. Sam's last horse.......

Any of you folks know what kind of cows Mr. Sam raised?

Sarah Lynn
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scooter

more2miller,
I take no offense at your thinking I am old, for that I am. I read these posts and am often very impressed at some of my contemporaries ability to remember things I have long forgotten.

SL,
Now I will prove just how much I have forgotten. I think Mr. Sam raised Santa Gertrudis cattle but I could be wrong. My spouse and children often remind me of just how much I have forgotten. And as each day passes.....well.....I can only agree.

moonglow66,

Is it safe for us to assume your identity by your moniker? Your memory is far superior to mine. I appreciate your uncanny ability to retain the nuances of our breed's history. In this I mean no slight to any of you other venerable founts of knowledge. Keep up the good work and keep those wonderful brains cooking.
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Mason

My guess would be Rooster WAS the last Horse Sam Showed.The LAST time I can remember talking to Sam he was at the farm on Franklin Rd sitting on Rooster.I drove by,... saw him, stopped and chatted a few minutes.I guess that was the last time I saw him alive(?)
Mason
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smitty

Trivia:

The Tennessee Walking Horse was not the only show horse breed to fail to crown a World Grand Champion in a given year since it's inception. What was the other breed and what was the reason?

Tim (also know to some as "thompson")
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(Unknown)

twhlady, You are correct, it was Go Boy's Black Rooster. I believe Mr. Sam raised and showed Charolais
cattle.
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BUBBADOG

What's wrong with Mason wearing some gloves? He's equitating ain't he?
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more2miller

WHOA!!

My comments were made in the sprit of friendship and fun and I doubt many of you are older than I. I have been going to the Celebration since 1966 and haven't missed a single one.

Who was Cebern Lee's horse trainer, what was the name of his stable and where was it located?
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more2miller

By the way, what is a whelp - I assume that is not a compliment!
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BUBBADOG

WHELP is what mama dogs (bitches) do when they give birth - complimentary? I reckon that depends on the spirit with which the "moniker" was delivered. Don't believe that I would take much offense - I was named after a field trial pointer - considered it a compliment - but she was a REAL GOOD dog.
I think that Mr Sam raised Charolais - what kind of goats did Vic Thompson raise?
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(Unknown)

This I read on another thread in another breed, but it really applies.....

"My references to today's three "greats" (and they are not alone, I simply chose three that everyone would know) was because they have STORIES and those stories will in time become the stuff of legend. As nice as Garland's Dream and 5 O'Clock are - they will never have legends. They will pass into the history books just like all the others. Only the truly great, the ones with stories we all love to tell and hear, will live on.

What makes My-My and Wing such "legends"? Is it because of how talented they were? No - it's because of the STORIES that followed them after their passing. Stories about how they moved, how they shook the stands or passed others like they were standing still... Those stories were brought about in PART because of their greatness in the ring, but they have surpassed their show records and become legends. THAT is what has made them so "great" even though most of us never saw them show."

WE need the stories of our breed...perhaps some of our problems would not be SO overwhelming if somewhere along the way we told OUR stories......
To those of you bringin back some of my old memories and letting me in on the things I missed ...Thank You
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(Unknown)

Ceburn Lee's trainer was Billy Boyd....they were located up in New York(and darned if I can remember what town, although we all showed at Syracuse, Youngstown, Rochester, Butler, WarrenCo, Ravenna, New Castle..just to name a few of the shows that had the performance horses as a MAJOR part of the venue, along with the Saddlebreds, morgans, arabs..the name of the stable was Leeswood...
Do you rememeber Billy Liles...Mr Pete, and the rest of the industry up there....
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Mason

Leeswood was in OAKS CORNERS NY...David Welsh was their first trainer I believe...Sylvester Skierkowski was there for a while between David and Billy Boyd...I worked a Horse or two for them(Lees) WAYBACK! I do remember Mr Pete but didnt ever know Billy L. personally.
Mason

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pushingrage

Mason,

Went to my trainers today and ran into a previous trainer and person that worked for you for about 3 years. He is now I believe in real estate. He had stables for quite a few years as well. We talked about you showing The Super Stock and the 3 complete workouts.......Phillip Wilson. He talked about your dogs and how good they were with you crossing them to come up with the breed you now have. I did not realize from your website that you had a ponytail or that is what he said. )
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Mason

Phillip is one of my fav folks...he has helped me in my move to the TRACE.We get together SOME and do some Bluegrass....HES still interested in making a living so he doesnt get over to play as much as he should....ONE day he will find out ALL that WORKIN stuff isnt necessary!
And YES Theres a TAIL ...covers up the HORSES @RS!
Mason
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broomman

Can anyone tell me if they know Mann Ring.

Where he is now? He and Mr. Petey Warren were a team some back in the 60's.

Rode horse called Setting Sun's Prince.
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pushingrage

Mason,

One other thing Phillip Wilson said about you was that you could "really" sing and talked about your bluegrass music. It is nice you still stay in contact with good and dear friends which he talks about you in that way.
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Mason

I still have lots of GOOD friends in this Horse GAME...wonder sometimes what they are doing but hey we've ALL got to be somewhere...And about the music...We TRY and get together at least once a week sometimes more to pick & grin...My wife is a pretty good upright bass player also..so we enjoy the music together...mostly play Gospel Bluegrass...we play a few Churches, goat ropings,firestations,and etc ..well really about anywhere they dont want to PAY MUCH...its kinda like horses come to think about it....
Mason
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Big Ed

Mason and whoever,
Your right on David Welsh. d**k Myers got his start there. He went to work for David at Leeswood as a stable hand and breaking colts after getting out of the NAVY. Is Mr Pete, Pete Lavolsi?
Eddie
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Big Ed

I also dream and remember, especially the funny things.
Eveready will remember this one, I think. Paul Turner was showing a Stake Horse, Wilson's Sensation (aka the Crazy Horse) at Broadway in the 60's. He was first to enter the ring and after riding past Judge Jack Warren the horse jumped the rail, grazing Dude Riddle's cadilac. Paul continued riding around the outside of the ring and entered again as the last horse in. Don't remember where he tied but Judge Warren said after the show that he couldn"t figure out how he got Paul's number written down as entering twice. He apparently never new what had happened.
Eddie
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everready

Ed
I do remember piper's ride that night, I was showing a 2 yr. old i think it was Gretna Va, i won the class i was going to be cute and make a victory pass down through the middle of the ring, the grass was wet, when i pulled on the reins to slow down her feet slipped out from under her,i came off the back of the saddle and landed standing staight up , she turned alway backwards, but did not hurt her, the crowd roared, it sounded like i won the big stake at the celebration
Everett
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Big Ed

Everett
How many blues do you think Top Man's Blue Sun won for you and every body else? I bet 200+
Eddie
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twhlady

Mr. Sam did breed and raise Charolais cattle as did Big Jim Beasley.......

As for the Oak Corners bunch.....all the Boyds were there, Billy and the kids......Mr. Cebern and Ms. Opal Lee were great folks.......and later they were with Charile Bobo....great story there, but one of the Bobo clan will need to share that with all of you.

Mr. Pete.......Johnstown, PA........interesting and great fellow. I remember whenever he bought a horse at public auction or in a private sale, he always bought the bridle the horse was wearing........guess he had lots of bridles through the years.... I have visited the lovely farm he established and owned there in the Allegheny hills......gorgeous. I also have lots of respect for Mary Jane LaCosta, his daughter. She has for many years been a mainstay for the TWH in the up-east part of the country. Her children did not ride nearly so much as she. Mary Jane was quite an equestrienne...........

Mason, whenever I go to Wartrace to visit Norma Lynn, I intend to drive over to your place for a visit. I want to visit with you folks ......but most importantly, I want to see the hairdo......

ONE SERIOUS QUESTION.........which of you dudes called me old?????

Sarah Lynn
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(Unknown)

Yes...Pete Livolsi....do you remember the Hildebrants at Americana stables..and Alan Reeber (walking horses and hackneys)..Billy Liles trained for Hytyre...they had saddlebred and walking horse...the Fishkins....and of course White Star and Dr s*hmu*k and Tommy Plott...
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Big Ed

I think it is LaCastro not LaCosta. Her daughter showed out of Benny Johnsons for a long time. Allen Reber is aka TWISTY. Do you remember that Mrs.Lee got a couple fingers biten off, i think at the first joint, by a horse when Billy Boyd was there
Eddie
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everready

Ed
Blue Sun won a bunch of blues in his day, i won the Big Stake at The Washington International when he was a 3 yr. old. One of the nicest horses i had the pleasure of training and a pretty horse too.I think every trainer had him did good showing him, now those are GOOD memories
Everett
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everready

Ed
I was just thinking about the Cox twins, i heard Elwood passed on, have you seen Eldridge. I always enjoyed those guys coming to my stable, they were two fun guys.
Everett
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Big Ed

Yes Ellwood died about 2 years ago. Eldridges dad and step-mom died three days apart back around Christmas.
I see him every now and then and he always wants to talk old times. He's not in the best of health, diabetes, I think. He still comes to Bill Reels some. Will tell him you said hi. I talk to Jane Kline often.
Eddie
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everready

I was just chatting with Ed about different people and shows, i got to thinking about the MESS the horse business is in now with the USDA.Some of you on here can remember the Humane Society in the northern states way back. I retired the Challenge trophy at the Washington International , first was Travelin Man then Blue Sun then Chiefs Mr Rebel, every year we had to contend with MRS. BLUE of the Humane Society, if you think you have had your horse checked, you AIN'T see nothing of the likes of her.She kept Blue Sun in inspection for 2 hours, then she said i cant believe we can't find something wrong with this horse, I said i know why and she ask whynot,I said because you all are a bunch of IDOTS that why, took my horse and left, NOW that felt GOOD.
Everett
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Big Ed

Everett,
Back in 73 the USDA came to Broadway with "the machine" and said they needed a horse to set the machine up on. A tare so to speak. Someone (Fred B.) volunteered Wayne's Stake Horse, Suns Playboy, said if he passed, they all would. That was stupid because he was not sored, was foundered. As a result, only three of 14 horses entered in the Stake got to show. We had a big told you so Ha!Ha! The joke was on them.
Eddie
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scooter

Does anyone remember E. M. Shiver? Is he living? Where is he?
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J441

It's okay, More2Miller, you can call me old. Heck, today's my birthday! I was born long, long ago.....
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J441

Bubbadog, Vic Thompson had fainting goats, along with a few Nubians(sp?). Did he ever tell you about Mr. Coffey "shooting" one of the fainting goats with the blank gun? Or the kid (I was about thirteen) he took hunting & made him think he killed about thirty goats with one shot from a 410 shotgun at 200 yards?
I couldn't understand what happened, but thought I would spend the rest of my life paying for all those goats. Vic and the farm owner laughed until they were holding their ribs and crying when I finally saw the goats getting back up & found out what really happened.
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twhlady

OK all you VA folks...........You already mentioned Fred Black.....what about Stanley Bowles and Dude Riddle from Martinsville? Absolutely some of the nicest folks ever........and really treated us visitors with the warmest kind of welcome. I remember Claudia Woody who rode the Bumblebee horse....had little bees embroidered on all her clothes. Joyce Myers also owned and showed that horse.

Some of the greatest supporters of the TWH were in the VA area....and the shows there were great.

Everett talks about the inspections.....all the shows in this part of the country were American Horse Show affiliated......(now USEF). There were stewards at all these shows years prior to the inspections that were commanded by HPA........There were struct rules by which all horses were governed.

I remember being told about an incident.....back when graphite grease was used under the boots......Claude Brown got in a real argument with some Saddle Horse folks at a show up in KY.......they were complaining about the graphite grease.....It was ugly and messy... Claude told them that he would let them put all the graphite grease they wanted to all over his feet....if they would let him put just a little bit of ginger up their a@@.....With that comment, the meeting was over........

Originating in the Saddle Horse world....I can certainly appreciate the comment about the ginger.....

For those of you youngsters reading this chat, graphite grease was a gooey slick silvery black mess that was used for protection for the feet....It certainly did not look too good after the class and the workout as it was usually running off the foot... Makes me wonder what the G-men would have said about that. I never remember the ASHA stewards making complaints about the grease....I do remember a steward questioning David when he was letting Little Eddie, a roadster-to-bike horse we showed......drink a pint of bourbon prior to hitching the overcheck for the class.....David just shared Eddie's whiskey with the steward.....

Sarah Lynn

(now make a comment about my age.....I surely have to admit to many, many years....with this post)
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Smitty
My wife saw Melissa Moore on Rachel Rays show Tuesday.She was on there for Looking so good for her age or something like that...shes 40 something,hard to believe that.Janet said she was on a film clip with a saddlebred.Sorry I missed it...maybe I'll catch the rerun.She and Melinda Judged L'ville yr before last.Have you seen the statue of Tom in front of Freedom Hall?I'm waitin for them to put one up in front of the Calsonic of YOU KNOW WHO?
Mason
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smitty

Mason,

I'm guessing Melissa is probably around 45 or 46 years old. I honestly didn't know her personally, but many times wished I did. Back in the seventies, I remember her walking through the high school halls and she was tall, slim and long-legged, just like her daddy. All I can do to describe her back then is to quote ole Conway.......

"LORD HAVE MERCY, BAAAAABYYYYS GOT HER BLUEJEANS ON....."

I have seen a photo of the statue of Tom Moore on a web site, but have yet to see it in person. He was indeed a legend and rode one of the only three horses I have ever seen that have given me the so-called "COLD CHILLS." The horse was YORKTOWN, the three-time winner and I was there when he won it for the third time back in '72. He was a GREAT one. The other two horses that gave me the chills were (yes) STOCK in '77 and believe it or not, the ROYAL LIPIZZANER STALLIONS a few years ago. (The Pusher and Reve and Mtn. Man only made me shiver a couple of times......but they're way up there too).

By the way, I thought for sure you'd take a stab at my trivia question on the previous post.

"The Tennessee Walking Horse was not the only show horse breed to fail to crown a World Grand Champion in a given year since it's inception. What was the other breed and what was the reason?"

I think you know the answer

If they ever put up a statue of "YOU KNOW WHO" in front of Calsonic, I will make a personal pilgramage every year to lay roses at the feet.......; o)
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kywalker

Broomman, Mann Ring is still around. I see him at horse shows regularly. One of his daughters is married to my brother's oldest son. I would have never believed I would be related Mann Ring in any way. The pleasure horse Ring the Mann is named after him.

Forrester
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Sara
Stanley Bowles and Dude Riddle were great friends of mine. they had a stable in Martinsville Va.,Joe Gibbs was trainer there .I had a stable in Stuart Va. about 30 miles from martinsville, one of the horses stands out in my mine was Suns Zenith a grey roan mare, not much Flat walk but a Running walk fool,they also own some real nice horses down thru the years. when Joe Gibbs left Doodie Powers trained there, there is another guy that could train a horse. I showed for years against Doddie he was a good showman and set straght up in the saddle.
Everett

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everready

Ed
Tell Eldridge , Bill an Jane and every one else in that part of the world I said Hello.we all had some very good times, back then we would beat one another then have a drink and go eat out, these guys and gals dont know what they are missing today,how about Dr and Mrs Gorsuch,tell all those people in Va get on this site and less have some fun.
Everett
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BUBBADOG

J441 - I must know you - there are LOTS of stories that I could tell 'bout the Vic Thompson years - but I best not put them on the internet - my father & Vic were bird dog buddies as well as horse buddies - I traveled many many miles with "The Bear".
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broomman

Thanks, Kywalker. The last time I saw Mann was in 1969 when I was working my my way thru Murray State, working on construction. He was also there working for a few days and it was he who told me Merry Go Boy had died.

I would love to see him again. If you see him give him my web site.

p.s. Rfd-TV show.....WPSD did not aire our segment this morning...not sure why...it was advertised.
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Big Ed

Everett,
Dr. Gorsuch died about a year and half ago. Talked to Fran, Kathy at the funeral and since. Fran is still the same.
Eddie
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(Unknown)

At the 1970 Celebration Joe Webb won the 4 y.o. gelding class with a black gelding that I thought was one of the most impressive horses at the show that year.Who can give a name to the horse?
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makethecut

Was Joe Webb's 4 yo geldings name John Doe?
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BUBBADOG

Hey Make the Cut - I been wondering where you wuz - you been sleeping? You're probably right about Joe Webb's gelding - else you wouldn't have said anything.
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(Unknown)

Make, yep that was him. I don't think I ever saw him again after that. I believe he may have passed on before the next show season.
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J441

Bubbadog,

We probably know each other. My dad was a horse trader prior to his retirement. He and Vic were big buddies. Vic took to me like he did all kids. He put me on a couple of World Grand Champions just so I could say I had ridden them...Ebony's Senator and Ebony's True Grit. Vic gave me belt buckles, rings, and a knife or two. I had no money, but I gave him a whistle I had carved from a willow stick. He kept the whistle on his desk and showed it off like it was a gold pipe from a king. He really knew how to make you feel special.

Richard Hickey
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twhlady

I believe Joe Gibbs and Eddie Tuck traded professions.
Eddie ran a dry cleaning establishment and when Joe retired from horses, they traded so to speak. Eddie Tuck trained some horses for Mr. Riddle. He had a pretty black gelding, 75, 76.... I believe he was by Spirit of Midnight. Won a lot with him in Va. and the Carolinas. That was Dude's Cadillac that Piper's horse landed on after jumping the rail at Broadway.
About Doodie Powers, They used to say "Doodie do ride'em squar". How about Joe Houk, Ernie Buggs?
Remember them? Remember having to get your bell boots weighed and stamped? The shoe polish wouldn't cover up the red ink. Bumble Bee was owned by a few others also.
Eddie
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(Unknown)

Anyone remember the last horse Joe Webb showed in the Big Stake?
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Big Ed

I believe he was by Mark of Carbon. Does anybody know how significant Joe Webb winning the WGC on a horse by Mark of Carbon would have been?
Eddie
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everready

Ed
I believe Joe Webb won 3 times--Rodgers Perfection- Carbon Copy-and Mark of Carbon--Rodgers P Sired Carbon C CarbonC sired Mark o C, I dont believe joe won it 4 times if he did i was a sleep that year.OPPS i dont think The Entertainer won the big one did he?Come to think about it i think The Entertainer was by Mark
Everett
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tms

Big Ed, I just spent Friday riding around with Joe Houk. He is a great friend and a class act. He also told several stories about Majors and Benny Johnson.
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TMS
Next time you talk to joe ask about the time he myself and benny went to to the Trainers meeting in Tn. in bennys Super Bird Plymouth,they might not need any body else around when you ask him,it was a memeorable trip
Everett
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Big Ed

My question reads IF Joe HAD won a WGC on a horse by Mark. What would the significance be?

IF Joe HAD WON the WGC on a horse by Mark of Carbon, THEN the offspring of that horse would have the entire sire side of his papers filled with horses ridden to WGC's by the same (Joe) person. I do not believe that has ever happened.
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(Unknown)

E, The Entertainer was a full brother to CC. He won a 2 y.o. stud class, was WGC as a 3&4 y.o., but never won the big one.
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everready

Ed
Sorry miss read the question
Moonglow
I should have remember that breeding on The Entertainer,but trying to remember these things is tuff, but i like it.
Everett
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Mason

Talking about that GOOD gelding Joe showed..do any of you remember a black mare Joe showed yrs ago at Montgumery...she WAS the best horse I remember Joe showing...she MIGHT(?) have been a sister to Shadow.Joe rode some good ones I'm not taking anything away from him..he was a trainers trainer.But that mare was the LONG WALKINEST head shakin'est SNOT slingin ole gal I ever saw.....Joe usually had a quicker lick on his horses than that mare or that gelding ya'll were talking about...remember Carbon Copys last pass at the Celebration the night he won!I am NOT sure what he was doing but he sure did make the folks stand up and throw their babys in the air... I saw old folks throw away their canes & run and leap for joy!
Mason
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everready

Mason
I do remember the mare Joe showed, but i cant remember her name either, but you are right she was a walking mame jammer. what ever Carbon Copy was doing that night,it sure WAS exciting.
Everett
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(Unknown)

Go Boy's Shadow had two full sisters, Sensational Sue and Mark's dam Shadow's Sis. There was another mare out of Merry Walker by Roger's Perfection named Merry Walker's Doll. She was foaled in 1960 and died in 68.Does that sound like the right time frame?
The John Doe gelding was by Roger's Go Boy.
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Mason

You've got the time about right...that could have been her.....never saw her before or after that show...but she was a good one there
Mason
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glory

everready---You mentioned Dude Riddle and Joe Gibbs. I
was at Tazewell, Virginia show the night Mr. Riddle
passed away. He won his class, made the victory pass,
and fell off the horse into the groom's arms as he exited the ring. What a way to go. No nursing home,
no extreme medical measures, just doing what he loved
and doing it well.

As for Joe Gibbs and all of us being old. I knew Joe
when he was a policeman in Rocky Mount, NC and I was in
the eighth grade and it has been a long, long, long,
time since I was in the eighth grade. Joe had trained
hunter/jumpers up north. I am not sure why he came to
Rocky Mount. As a policeman he was chasing a suspect
across the roof of a tobacco warehouse and fell through
a skylight and hurt his back and had to give up the
hunter/jumpers. At the time I first met him he was
training any kind of horse he could get. I had a spotted pleasure horse with him. Later he went to
walking horses. Does anyone know if he is still
living (I doubt it because I am old as the hills) or
where any of his family might be. I think his wife
was named Alma and they had several children.

I also remember when you were in Bahama. Mona Dean
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Mason
Merry Walkers Doll sounds right i think that show was 67 or 68 you and i were still young trainers then. i think in our mid 20's. that mare was the talk of the show. BUT being the Age WE ARE NOW anything we say may be questioned
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everready

Hi Mona
Good to see you on here,joe's wife 's name was Alma,I have not heard anything from joe are any of his family for 40 yrs.They did have 4 beautiful daughters, come to think of it i believe he had more than 4 children. I do remember hearing about the way mr riddle passed, thats the way to go, if its your time.Joe was a good fellow, drank a few cool ones with him.What ever happened to Peggy and Elery Holloway,haven't heard from them in many years.
Everett

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twhlady

Mona:

Joe and Alma have both passed away. I visited with Alma about 6 years ago and she had a bout with Cancer.....died soon after I saw her. She always was a very gracious lady. She lived in Roanoke.......close to one of the duaghters. There were six children....one of them lives here in Fayetteville. One of the two boys coached high school sports.........

About Dude Riddle.........it was sad for him to die, but he left this earth living life to the fullest and continuing to do what he loved most.......showing a really good TWH......Everyone loved Dude, Julia and Doug.........great folks and great friends.

Papa Joe Landrum, David's grandfather, died while in the showring on his horse. We were all there at the show in Monroe, GA....he just fell off.......left this earth doing exactly what he loved......riding a TWH....


Sarah Lynn
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J441

This may be a touchy subject, but was anyone ever charged in the death of George Lee Lennox? I understand he had a lot of things going on at the time, one of which was the proxy battle in the walking horse world.
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J441
I do remember when George Lennox was murdered they were a lot of rumors about it, but i don't believe it was ever solved,May god rest his sole.
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

Go Boys Black Rooster
I don't remember Sam Pascal showing him. But Donalds assistant, Carlton Pitts won the 3 yr old WGC with him in 1968 when Don won on Royal Heir. The last stake horse I remember Sam showing was Go Boys Crimson Tide.
Rooster won one afternoon because it was rained out the night before.
Joe Webbs last stake horse was a 5th generation named
Touches Macho Man. Riguals owned him.

ps sorry for butting in on the Lennox inqueery.
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(Unknown)

Tramp, Sam Paschal showed Black Rooster as a 4 y.o. at the Celebration. I think he was third in his class and the championship. Touch's Macho Man was the horse Joe Webb showed. I think he won one of the stud classes and was third in the big one.He was by Touch Of Mark who was by Mark Of Carbon.
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Saddle Tramp
That must have been in the late 70's when Joe showed Macho Man, I was training for Toby Green, at the celebration Joe called and wanted to bring his stake horse out and ride him in our ring, he made about two rounds and said our ring was to rough(it was gravel). As best as i can remember that was Macho Man, he was just another horse.
Everett
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twhlady

Richard:

I knew George, Betty, and the children - Lee and Martha well.........You are correct, George was closely tied to the Blue Proxy battle at Breeders.......and following that proxy battle there was the Yellow Proxy effort......soon after.

George's death was terrible.......and the manner he died was absolutely horrible. As I understood, there were extensive investigations into many aspects of George's life that were determined to have possibly caused his death........I have never been able to comprehend or to believe that his death had anything to do with his involvement with the TWH industry..........any more than the brutal deaths of Lynn Doughty's family in Mobile........

I do not know if the case about George's death has ever been solved.....Olive Branch, MS I think was the jurisdiction area though Memphis as well as the FBI were also involved.

Through the years it has been rumored that our industry has been involved in several FBI investigations...most recently 2006.......following all the mess our industry now experiences......

Sarah Lynn
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(Unknown)

Tramp,Did Sam show Crimson Tide at the Celebration after he showed Johnny Midnight? I think 66 was the last year he showed J M.
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J441

What was the deal with Sam having a supposed heart attack a few days before he won the big stake on Setting Sun? I remember hearing some talk about it...some people claimed he was as well as could be, others claiming he was at death's door.
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J441
I am thinking (but could be wrong)Sam come in the ring and made ONE pass then left the ring because he was sick, then came back and won the STAKE. The next year the celebration pass the rule a horse must compete both ways of the ring to qualify for the Champonships,somebody say thats right are was i just dreaming that up
Everett
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Saddle Tramp

Moonglow66
My first year at the Celebration was 67. I think Mack Motes showed Johny Midnight then out of Vics barn. I'm pretty sure Sam would have shown Tide after 66, but from then on he mainly showed a sorrel mare.

Billy Lyles was from Chapel Hill Tn. He showed a red roan filly Miss Red Head in weanling, yearling & 2 yr old competition in the 40's. Then he moved to Pa.
A man from Manchester Tn. bought Miss Red Head somewhere in the late 60's, I showed him her picture that was in a Southern Horseman that I had. She was by Holdens Allen.

I saw a picture of Paul Whitehead & Gossip on the back of a recent Report & was amazed at how much Gossip looks like Black Diamond. From the saddle forward they're identical. Gossip has more back end.

Touches Macho Man was a real blocky looking horse with a short thick neck. Nothing to write home about.
He sired a horse named Macho Commacho that Joe & maybe Pat Rigual showed. Thats 6 generations that Joe showed.

We need to let Gll rest as people need to let Jackie O, Elvis, Princess Di & now Anna Nicole Smith.
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E, That's what I always heard. Sam had a bone disease since he was a child. He had a recurrence of it before the Celebration in 58, and his doctor told him to stay in bed.He was able to make just one round on Setting Sun, but back then that was all it took to qualify. He rested the rest of the week and came back on Saturday to win the Championship.
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shoe

Melissa sold her dad's place and is building a new barn in Lawrenceburg, Ky. A very nice barn,would rival any throughbred barn in Lexington. Tom Moore started out showing walking horses. He was a geat horseman.
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Big Ed

When B Major Wison was mentioned the other day it made me think. Wasn't Claude Brown an amateur? Didn't he win an amateur class, then show back in the Big Stake for the WGC?
Eddie
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everready

Yep Ed he won the amateur class then come back on Sat. night whooped them butts,then after that(I THINK) they changed it to where you had to qualify in an open class to compete in the Stake even 2 yr olds COULD SHOW IN THE BIG STAKE,Then later they changed that to qualify for the big stake, they had to canter in the qualifying class. (I dont know any of the rules in today showing)
Everett
By the way Ed B. Major Wilson had the BEST canter EVER on a Tn Walker, i had the good fortune of getting to ride him when Ernie Bugg had him in Va standing him at stud, just touch that shoulder and you was in that ROCKING CHAIR CANTER.
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Big Ed

Everett,
Went to Carl Hengens with my grandad mid 60's. Ernie had broke his leg and needed a bunch of colts started.
The highest headed, paciest colt was a filly. My grandad picked her out to take. Her name was Majors Marry Poppins. I have a 8mm film of her when she first started hitting. She won a lot of blues at the celebration in her career.
Eddie
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Ed
I do remember Mary Poppins heck of a show mare, but for the life of me i cant remember the trainers that had her.after thinking about it did Carol Fleming, Preach's ex wife show her,are someone from the carolina's.
E.
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Big Ed

My grandad (Bob Waggoner)had her as a two yr old. I know Preach had her(as a 4 yr old). Joe showed her some, maybe the horse he won his first celebration blue on. Was a Juvenile mount for a Hardy , I think?
Eddie
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old budd

Anyone remember the walking pony Tennessee Dude? He was 6th in Pony Championship '53 and two 5ths and 1 8th in '53 Celebrations. Eddie Register rode in '53. Dude wound up in Conneaut Ohio at Dr. J.G. Constantine's stable in late 50's-early 60's. Any info on breeding or training of hime would be appreciated. Also seeking Marvin Taylor, he trained for "Uncle Bob" Cunningham in Zelinople PA in the late 1940's.
Old Buddy
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twhlady

QUESTION FOR EACH ONE OF YOU.

Are any of you planning to go to Shelbyville for the Trainers Show?

If so, I would like to hostess a little get-together so we can all sit around, swap our stories, and visit a bit.......Maybe we could show these present-day horse folks how to really rear back and have good ole fashioned cammaraderie and fellowship.

Perhaps we can arrange this all right from the chat.

Please respond......

Sarah Lynn bledsoesl@aol.com
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makethecut

Count me in, Sarah Lynn. Sounds like a barrel of fun.
Tony
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Sara
Count me in i will be there all week
Everett
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(Unknown)

We were discussing The Entertainer a couple of days ago, and the fact that he won the 3 y.o. WGC and 4 y.o.
WGC. He was reserve WGC as a 2 y.o. Who beat him and won the 2 y.o. WGC?
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master

A guess from memory would be Setting Sun's Apollo with Billy Brantly.